Personally I think the Full Pan has more Merit then the work required for
the A Frames.... if you can contain that stuff inside the Pan then it
simplifies the whole deal....
I have been designing the Bugeye with a Full Pan that Never comes off... in
other words I will NEVER go under the car... Just like this Morning when I
was stuffing that Chunk in the 9" on the Camaro... Shame on Playing around
UNDER the car... there isn't anything there that couldn't be accessable on
top if the body comes off...
My Two Cents worth... K
----- Original Message -----
From: George Mitchell <americanpartner@yahoo.com>
To: Phillip Landry <saltracer@netscape.net>; Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>;
Race Car <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:01 PM
Subject: Belly Pan question
> Hey list I have some of those newbie questions.
>
> I am going to be taking advantage of as much belly
> pan as possible in the Porsche "thing". I was
> wondering about the lower a arms though .
> On the one hand I figured that making a small
> covering for the bottom of the lower a arms would be a
> good idea. When the car is at ride height it would be
> one continuous pan.
> Two thoughts crossed my mind
> Wouldn't there have to be some sort of pressure
> release for the air that could make its way into the
> "nose" ? There is no way to seal it up tight and still
> have some sort of suspension travel -- Right ? I would
> think a bump would suddenly fill the nose with a
> sudden stream of air and cause some problems
>
> Also whats to keep that little "a arm belly pan " from
> creating lift if it should come out of the airstream
> with suspension movement? I know the salt isn't like a
> pool table so the suspension will have some travel .
>
> I guess another alternative is to run a continuous pan
> with the a arm pick up points within that area ( nose
> )with just a space for the wheels to move . Still you
> have the pressure problem , though.
>
> What are people running in full belly pan cars ?
>
>
>
> I know some people didn't like it but I have watched
> the LSR special like four times now.
>
>
> Anyway , your input would help me in this belly pan
> thing .
>
> Skip in FLA a check for $200 (half) on those Hemis is
> going out tomarrow.I'll get the rest to you in a week
> or so .
>
> George in a chilli DC
>
> --- Phillip Landry <saltracer@netscape.net> wrote:
> > Keith,
> > I believe it's Dave Haller who's the trouble maker!
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net> wrote:
> > hey Guys... Now and again we might want to change
> > the heading's to keep them
> > on Track with what we are saying....
> >
> > This deal on Dampners may be good for the Archieves
> > one day....
> >
> > Keith
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris R Harris <yesford@clear.net.nz>
> > To: David Haller <dhaller@techline.com>;
> > <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>;
> > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 5:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: Cam Doctor problems
> >
> >
> > > Hi Dave,
> > > yes, I very definitely consider the
> > suggestion to run without a
> > > harmonic damper, bad advice. I thoroughly
> > researched this subject some
> > time
> > > ago and wrote a tech article for a magazine on the
> > subject.
> > > Certainly some people run without them, generally
> > looking for more rapid
> > > engine acceleration such as on dirt track ovals
> > etc. Rather than go into
> > > immense details of what the engine damaging, down
> > side is, simply look at
> > > some of the fastest accelerating door cars around.
> > NHRA Pro Stock,
> > > acceleration is the total priority (given traction
> > of course), they very
> > > definitely run dampers, despite their short blasts
> > of sub 7 seconds.
> > >
> > > Chris Harris. New Zealand.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > > From: David Haller <dhaller@techline.com>
> > > > To: Chris R Harris <yesford@clear.net.nz>;
> > ARDUNDOUG@aol.com;
> > > land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > > Subject: Re: Cam Doctor problems
> > > > Date: Sunday, March 19, 2000 1:04 PM
> > > >
> > > > You lost me Chris. Is it your opinion that is
> > straight bogus advice and
> > I
> > > > need pay no attention?
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Dave Haller #93
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Chris R Harris <yesford@clear.net.nz>
> > > > To: David Haller <dhaller@techline.com>;
> > <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>;
> > > > <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 3:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Cam Doctor problems
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Dave,
> > > > > Whoever gave you that tip, consider
> > them a friend, or advice
> > no
> > > > > more.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris Harris. NZ.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------
> > > > > > From: David Haller <dhaller@techline.com>
> > > > > > To: ARDUNDOUG@aol.com;
> > land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Cam Doctor problems
> > > > > > Date: Sunday, March 19, 2000 9:25 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > List,
> > > > > > Working on the car this last Thursday
> > evening the discussion came up
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > need for a harmonic balancer on my small
> > block. I have one of those
> > > > > > expensive ones on it now and was told I do
> > not need to have one on
> > > the
> > > > > > engine and to run without it. It was claimed
> > the balancer is robbing
> > > me
> > > > > of
> > > > > > horsepower unnecessarily, that the engine
> > was already balanced
> > > besides
> > > > > real
> > > > > > run time was short so the need for one was
> > not there. What is your
> > > > > > experience and opinions out there, I know
> > you have the right ones,
> > > > > > Dave Haller #93 C/GAlt
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>
> > > > > > To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 7:23 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Cam Doctor problems
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a message dated 02/29/2000 3:17:23 AM
> > Pacific Standard Time,
> > > > > > > dahlgren@uconect.net writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > << There is a product i am not sure if you
> > are aware of called the
> > > Cam
> > > > > > > Doctor(I am not sure who makes this) and
> > Cam Pro Plus made by
> > > Audie
> > > > > > > technology that does what you want to do
> > it also will do all the
> > > > input
> > > > > > > for you. It is made for exactly what you
> > want to do. basically
> > you
> > > > put
> > > > > > > the cam in the fixture and hook the
> > fixture input to a PC. then
> > > > rotate
> > > > > > > the cam and it will intup all the numbers
> > for you andf has many
> > > other
> > > > > > > neat features.. it is a little spendy but
> > it is the tool for the
> > > job.
> > > > > > > http://www.audietech.com/
> > > > > > > I have no idea of their pricing but you
> > might get some ideas
> > > here..
> > > > > > > Dahlgren
> > > > > > > EMS
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > Group,
> > > > > > > Speaking of Cam Doctor, I just spent a
> > weekend at the San
> > Diego
> > > > > Swap
> > > > > > Meet
> > > > > > > with Roy Creel, this years VP of SCTA.
> > Seems that the guys at
> > McGee
> > > > > Cams
> > > > > > had
> > > > > > > a Cam Doctor that was inoperative for some
> > reason and worked a
> > deal
> > > > > with
> > > > > > Roy
> > > > > > > whereby he could use the thing if he would
> > get it fixed.
> > > > > > > Roy contacted the Cam Doctor Mfg. in
> > Denver, made the
> > > > arrangements,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > shipped it to them. It came back,
> > supposedly fixed, but was still
> > > > > > > inoperative. Several months of un-returned
> > phone calls later, Roy
> > > was
> > > > > in
> > > > > > PHX
> > > > > > > for a "Banger" seminar, then drove to
> > Denver last week and took
> > the
> > > > > local
> > > > > > > Sheriff to the guys home to get a check
> > from the wife.
> > > > > > > Those of you who know Roy are aware of
> > what a "straight-up"
> > and
> > > > > > > innovative guy he is, so, buyer
> > beware...........Ardun Doug in CA
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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