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Re: thermal barriers

To: Butters Family <bbutters@dmi.net>
Subject: Re: thermal barriers
From: Finishline Coatings <lona@finishlinecoatings.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 16:20:18 -0800
Hi:
Thanks for the follow-up information.
We know that coating  the headers holds heat in the pipes which scavanges the
spent gasses much faster. - which on a normally aspirated motor equates to
torque and horsepower.  There is no set percentage of gain that we know of. It
just depends on the individual motor.  We have done quite a bit of dyno testing
with our coatings with a well known NW NASCAR engine builder and found many
pluses with this process. I am very interested in this product called super
therm   It sounds like a good thing to use on the inside of a firewall and roof
of any type of vehicle.  One of the things I like about this list and hot
rodders in general is that they are always looking for ways to improve upon what
they are doing.  Don't be afraid to send us your headers.  I'm sure they can't
be as bad as some of the ones I've seen in 45 years of building hot rods.

Butters Family wrote:

>          Russ,   A couple of weeks ago I responded to an ad From Industrial
> Coating Alliance Group Who sell a product called supertherm, thinking about
> using it on my firewall and interior of my roof to keep the car cooler.
> Talked to the president and then was referred to Bill Calhoon. He is a
> partner and used to work with Bobby Alison, I think he said they were
> partners, and know sells this product to Nascar Teams for various heat
> control issues. Bill said they ran a test on a 400H.P. 350 chev on the dyno
> first with uncoated headers then coated ones, picked up 9 hp with no other
> changes. Told me that the NASA engineers said that  When hot gasses flow
> threw a pipe  that is ceramic coated it keeps the gas ses from tumbling,
> sort of like hundreds of little tornadoes.  Comments please, they sent me a
> gallon of their Super therm 2001 at less than 1/2 price to try out, so we
> will see how it does. Would consider sending you my headers but I would be
> embarrassed to have you look at them critically. Kvach, the nostalgia blown
> hemi man
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dahlgren <dahlgren@uconect.net>
> To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>; <Land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Cc: Finishline Coatings <lona@finishlinecoatings.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 1:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Salt build-up & Chuck's e-mail
>
> > I second Keith's thoughts if you know the subject and I am sure you do
> > make us all a smarter and give us the chance to make some intelligent
> > decisions..
> > Dahlgren
> >
> > Keith Turk wrote:
> > >
> > > You know Russ.... I really appreciate your trying not to commercialize
> this
> > > place.... but on the end of the day.... I wish you would teach all of us
> > > about your coating products... and what the advantages are.... I know
> once
> > > you go to Turbo's Coatings are everything....
> > >
> > > TELL us more about what you offer... Please....
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > > From: Finishline Coatings <lona@finishlinecoatings.com>
> > > > To: Skip Higginbotham <saltrat@pro-blend.com>
> > > > Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > > Subject: Salt build-up & Chuck's e-mail
> > > > Date: Monday, February 21, 2000 2:45 PM
> > > >
> > > > Hi Skip and List:
> > > > Yes, we do have coatings for brakes.  I will share with you how we
> > > > developed these coatings.
> > > > About 5 years ago Marlo Treit came to us with a problem with his
> brakes
> > > > on the Lakester.  "Rust"!!!
> > > > He had tried painting them, powder coating, epoxy and nothing they put
> > > > on stayed.  The salt throw back from the front tires would blast it
> > > > off.  So we developed what we call our 300 MPH coating. This is a moly
> > > > based polymar that has enough elastic to absorb the impact of the salt
> > > > then bounce off without breaking the adhesion of the coating.   It is
> a
> > > > very
> > > > slippery coating and even on rough surfaces it is so slippery that
> salt
> > > > and mud just rub off.  Marlo's rear end and brake parts have been done
> > > > for 4 years now and no sign of rust.  The coating should last for
> ever.
> > > > We do not coat the actual pad surface of the rotors so don't clean
> them
> > > > up.  I want to see where the pads run.  We coat everything else on the
> > > > rotors.  We coat all brackets , calipers, the back side of the pads
> and
> > > > the face of the pistons that ride against the pads.  For those of you
> > > > that would like to talk to Marlo about all the things that we coat on
> > > > his car, his e-mail is  MTreit@aol.com.
> > > > While I'm at it, I'll mention a couple of things about exhaust systems
> > > > (again).
> > > > Chuck, if you are running 1800 degrees, you need that system coated.
> We
> > > > do lots of turbo rotary exhaust.  Don't use heat wrap as it destroys
> the
> > > > metal.  The people that developed it should be wrapped up with it and
> > > > stuck in the ground!!!  These are pretty strong words, but the stuff
> is
> > > > junk-for exhaust!!  Stainless steel is no good for exhaust either
> unless
> > > > you coat it.  I don't care what Burns Stainless says.  They are lying.
> > > > Stainless is a radiator of heat. I've done the tests and have the
> > > > results to prove it.  Stainless also, is very unstable in heat
> > > > conductivity - thats why stainless cooking pans have to be copper or
> > > > aluminum plated on the outside.  I could go on for hours about the
> > > > negative side of stainless but I better not.  You do not need to spend
> > > > that kind of money on your exhaust systems.
> > > > O.K., I'll stop for now.  This will get the e-mail on the list
> started.
> > > > Russ-#902 XO  M.R.
> > > > The Garbage Truck Motor Man
> >




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