Hey Gang
I'm hearing rumors the salt is wet and the meet is cancelled, Just a rumor but
maybe
Dick Williams or Frank Salman knows for sure.Fueling pulled one wheel assy off
the
liner and ran it in a motorcycle class. Not my idea of a true bike but the three
wheeler jet of Breedloves leaves one to wonder how they can classify this stuff
.
Glen
.
Joe Amo wrote:
> Hello, list I just perused the BUB enterprises site and found that Denis is
> planning an assault on the Down Under salt in March. Do you guys/girls know
>of any
> other contingents. Mr. Malcom, will you and Mr. Brown be there to make it an
> "international" event and show the world that "only thrust power will do"
>when it
> comes to "real speed"? Malcom and others, can any of you clear up a
>question I
> have regarding the world speed record for motorcycles (hence- two wheelers)?,
> I
> usually only hear of the Campos Easy Rider Entry, when in fact Mr. Fueling
>went
> 332.??mph two way average with his two wheel entry at Bonneville 2 years ago.
> Joe
> :) :)
>
> Ed Van Scoy wrote:
>
> > Joe;
> > The records in the 1992 rule book are Land Speed Authority records. Most of
>the
> > records in the book are 1991 records, leading me to believe there was a
> > large(?) LSA certification meet in 1991 (?) Since 1992 was my first trip
>to
> > the salt, maybe some of the old timers on this list could expand on
> > this.........
> > Ed
> >
> > David Haller wrote:
> >
> > > Joe,
> > > Thanks for your response to the writer. I'm not sure how to take that kind
> > > of response to a simple question, his response that is. The 1992 rule book
> > > had a section for FIA rules and records and the World of Speed was set up
> > > this year for those of us who wished to attempt to set a new record in
>that
> > > arena. I was just wondering if someone such as myself had access to the
> > > record book to see what mark to shoot for under FIA. I sure wasn't
>expecting
> > > the kind of response I got out of the UK. After all, we all enjoy the need
> > > for speed, some more extreme than others, some budgets unlimited and
>others
> > > very limited. Guess we're still considered the Colonies, even after all
> > > these years,
> > > Dave Haller #93
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> > > To: Malcolm Pittwood <MPittwood@compuserve.com>
> > > Cc: LSR List <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 4:47 PM
> > > Subject: Re: FIA Records, introduction and other thoughts.
> > >
> > > > Theory and execution are at times opposing entities. Don Vesco has more
> > > runs
> > > > over 200mph with 250cc and 350cc bikes than "Rocketman" has with "the
> > > only
> > > > way" thrust power. In addition the inefficient 1930's tech 320mph Easy
> > > Rider
> > > > bike and 1970's tech bikes Vesco ran over 318 (and also over 330) have
>yet
> > > to
> > > > be bettered by thrust. I suppose most American hot rodders face the
> > > > realization that "real speed" can be attained with ingenuity and power
> > > plants
> > > > found in their grocery getters as opposed to stripping down fighter jets
> > > and
> > > > helicopters. Not sure why no one has taken one of those superior thrust
> > > power
> > > > plants and set the bar higher with respect to the bike records.
> > > > Many do not attempt FIA/FIM records because our quest for speed is
> > > realized on
> > > > the salt in the certified numbers we attain from the BNI/SCTA, and the
> > > fact
> > > > that our quest is restricted by money which makes the significantly
>higher
> > > > FIA/FIM certification price unrealistic. I sincerely hope that you
>will
> > > be
> > > > able to come to Bonneville and run some fast speeds. Joe :) :)
> > > >
> > > > Malcolm Pittwood wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > -------------Forwarded Message-----------------
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Malcolm Pittwood,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Date: 1/2/100 9:56 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > RE: FIA Records, introduction and other thoughts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello List,
> > > > > As a 'lurker' it has taken until the new millennium for me to
>introduce
> > > > > myself and take part in the lively exchange of comments here on the
> > > list.
> > > > > The FIA records are looked after by an american - Burdette Martin who
>is
> > > > > Chairman of the FIA Records Commission based at ACCUS was fax (547)
>272
> > > > > 0101. Make a specific request on the capacity class you are
>interested
> > > in
> > > > > - remember that the FIA have no classification by body types. The FIA
> > > > > rules only divide by cubic capacity for petrol and diesel internal
> > > > > combustion; weight for electric, steam and turbine; and its unlimited
> > > for
> > > > > all thrust powered vehicles.
> > > > > The ACCUS should have the FIA rules for record attempts in hard copy
>if
> > > the
> > > > > regulations are not on the FIA web site.
> > > > > As the FIA only recognise their International records you will not
>find
> > > any
> > > > > Bonneville BNI/USFRA/LSA speeds listed in their information !!
> > > > > Real Speed - only thrust power will do. Why work with pistons if you
> > > want
> > > > > to run fast ?
> > > > > Facts - it was americans who rode rough shod over the FIA rules on
> > > > > automobiles to establish thrust powered records in the 60's. Only
>since
> > > > > 1983 did the Brits (R Noble & A Green) have vehicles capable of
>setting
> > > > > speeds over the rocket power of Blue Flame but then Andy did it in
> > > style -
> > > > > 'boom boom'.
> > > > > Turbines- if you develop a turbo charged 4 stroke or 2 stroke engine
>to
> > > the
> > > > > extremes possible, including feeding back the rotational turbocharger
> > > shaft
> > > > > power to the crankshaft of the power unit (engine) by "compounding",
>you
> > > > > end up creating a gas turbine. I have been interested in the dislike
> > > > > created by the Vesco Turbinator amongst some 4 stroke teams. Lets
>face
> > > it
> > > > > if you wish to drive a shaft connected to the wheels why not use an
> > > > > appropriate power unit ?
> > > > > So who is Malcolm Pittwood ?
> > > > > I do not hold any speed records. I am a Fuel and Combustion Engineer
> > > > > based in England, with a 37 year interest in cars and speed record
> > > > > breaking. I used to work on circuit racing saloons (sedans in the
>USA)
> > > but
> > > > > then took an interest in pure straight line speed. For the last 5
>years
> > > I
> > > > > have been Chairman of the Speed Record Club (producers of Fast Facts
> > > > > Magazine).
> > > > > I organise speed record attempts here in the UK and in the USA (at
> > > > > Bonneville in 1999) for British teams - Primetime Jet Power, Bluebird
> > > > > Electric, Team Maximum Impulse (yes, the triple rocket powered
> > > motorcycle
> > > > > of Richard Brown). I also work with other UK teams when I have a
>spare
> > > > > moment, including one using a gas turbine helicopter engine. I have a
> > > > > steam rocket powered car in my two car garage alongside a jet turbine
> > > > > engine. In storage is a diesel engined streamliner which I own and am
> > > > > having assembled for a young driver. Last summer I had a 'guest
>drive'
> > > in
> > > > > the Vampire jet dragster of Colin Fallows of the Primetime team just
>24
> > > > > hours after he broke the UK Outright record.
> > > > > As Project Administrator for Richard 'Rocketman' Brown for the last
> > > three
> > > > > years I feel it has to be acknowledged that if you want an official
>FIA
> > > or
> > > > > FIM World Record you have to use rocket (or two jet power). Even then
> > > you
> > > > > don't always get the record first time - Richard went 333 mph average
> > > over
> > > > > the kilo in the Gillette mach 3 Challenger, but only one way.
> > > > > Why don't more nationalities join in speed record breaking ? Why
>don't
> > > > > more americans attempt FIA records with their cars and FIM records
>with
> > > > > their bikes. Hey, you guys didn't even support Denis Manning at his
> > > 'bike
> > > > > only meeting' on the salt last september ?
> > > > > At least this should welcome in the new year with lots of response on
> > > the
> > > > > list !!
> > > > > Malcolm Pittwood living in Derby, (initial home of Rolls Royce when
>the
> > > > > Brits owned the car maker), East Midlands, England. 21.56 GMT.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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