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Re: [Healeys] Hardened seats in a cast iron 100 head

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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Hardened seats in a cast iron 100 head
From: Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2024 08:57:48 -0700
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Well, that wasn't OP's question.

You can certainly get by without the inserts in a lower compression 
engine that isn't run hard but, if you're doing a head job then why not? 
The risk of cracking is legitimate, that's why you need a good, 
experienced machinist to do it; a good machinist will recommend against 
it if he's encountered problems with similar heads.

On 8/26/2024 8:27 AM, Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys wrote:
>
> In most cases hardened valve seats were/are not necessary. There was 
> only a small handful of engines that gave trouble after introducing 
> lead free petrol.
>
> Op 26-8-2024 om 16:43 schreef Bob Spidell via Healeys:
>> My dad had our BN2/100M's head redone--valves, guides, etc.--by a 
>> local speed shop we trust (the machinist is a meticulous Kiwi who Dad 
>> said got really excited when he saw 'Weslake' cast in the head). 
>> Unfortunately, Dad isn't around to ask, but they almost certainly 
>> installed hardened exhaust valve seats; it's been SOP since, well, 
>> since lead was removed from gas. No issues, and I had it out on the 
>> road a couple weeks ago.
>>
>>
>> On 8/25/2024 7:44 AM, Michael Salter wrote:
>>> I am still using cast iron heads on both my 100's. Amazingly neither 
>>> have serious cracks as are so common on these.
>>> I am really picky and don't particularly like the different sound 
>>> that a 100 engine with an aluminium head makes so would like to 
>>> continue using these cast iron ones.
>>> I'm contemplating installing hardened seats in one.
>>> Hase anyone done this successfully?
>>
>>
>>
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    Well, that wasn't OP's question. <br>
    <br>
    You can certainly get by without the inserts in a lower compression
    engine that isn't run hard but, if you're doing a head job then why
    not? The risk of cracking is legitimate, that's why you need a good,
    experienced machinist to do it; a good machinist will recommend
    against it if he's encountered problems with similar heads. <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/26/2024 8:27 AM, Kees Oudesluijs
      via Healeys wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:bfcaa3ec-2a81-4daa-bdd8-c8e53bb2333e@chello.nl">
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      <p>In most cases hardened valve seats were/are not necessary.
        There was only a small handful of engines that gave trouble
        after introducing lead free petrol.<br>
      </p>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 26-8-2024 om 16:43 schreef Bob
        Spidell via Healeys:<br>
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        cite="mid:8e705fbd-669e-4eee-8d5f-46271f0c6dc7@comcast.net">
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        My dad had our BN2/100M's head redone--valves, guides, etc.--by
        a local speed shop we trust (the machinist is a meticulous Kiwi
        who Dad said got really excited when he saw 'Weslake' cast in
        the head). Unfortunately, Dad isn't around to ask, but they
        almost certainly installed hardened exhaust valve seats; it's
        been SOP since, well, since lead was removed from gas. No
        issues, and I had it out on the road a couple weeks ago. <br>
        <br>
        <br>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/25/2024 7:44 AM, Michael
          Salter wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="auto">I am still using cast iron heads on both my
            100's. Amazingly neither have serious cracks as are so
            common on these.
            <div dir="auto">I am really picky and don't particularly
              like the different sound that a 100 engine with an
              aluminium head makes so would like to continue using these
              cast iron ones. </div>
            <div dir="auto">I'm contemplating installing hardened seats
              in one. </div>
            <div dir="auto">Hase anyone done this successfully?</div>
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