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Fingers crossed for you Simon!
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Simon =
Lachlan via Healeys
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 6:51 AM
To: gradea1@charter.net
Cc: 'Healeys' <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive pressure or clutch slip Step 3
=20
This is, I truly hope, the final update which you deserve after all your =
advice.
=20
Cross yr fingers and toes but I think it's fixed. Not 100% sure what was =
wrong but it was like this:-=20
1) Removed gearbox.=20
2) Inspected release bearing. Still had about 2mm of carbon but ordered =
new one anyhow.=20
3) Removed clutch. Looked good as new, which it is/was virtually. Had my =
mate at local garage look too. He said it was fine. Had I had it in the =
right way round? Yes.=20
4) As clutch passed visual and road test, slippage was now very likely =
to be within the driving half of the overdrive as I had +/- 520psi on my =
gauge. (Dave=E2=80=99s gauge said 550psi)
5) No way was I was taking that half of the OD apart. Arranged to be up =
at ODSpares by 08:00 for Dave Twigger to dig into it.
6) He said there was some wear in both clutches, "cone" and =
"uni-directional". He'd replaced them both as silly not to once he'd got =
that far. He said that he wasn't sure if the wear was sufficient to =
cause the problem, but that it could. Not v. satisfactory. However, =
he=E2=80=99s the expert.=20
7) Reassembled it all.=20
8) So far, on two test runs, it's performed =
perfectly...=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..Frankly, I don't know where I am with =
the ****** thing. Not sure I trust it.....rather dispiriting actually. =
If it happens again, the gearbox can go in the attic and I'll look for a =
Toyota 5 speed!=20
Thanks again,
Simon
=20
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 5:04 PM
To: Simon Lachlan <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com =
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Overdrive pressure or clutch slip Step 3
=20
Simon-it sound to me that your slippage is in your driving clutch. If =
OD is in direct and the 8 springs doing their job, the engine clutch is =
suspect if slipping occurs. Healeys are known for that issue from the =
early days of oil on the disc. In rallies they sprayed the clutch with =
brake cleaner to stop the slipping.
Then too I remember that you had issues with your pressure plate when =
replaced...your model had 3 different PPs depending on the year and =
upgrade and the absolute correct one must be used with the correct =
gearbox.
=20
Slipping when it gets hot (or saturated) in direct drive (or in OD for =
that matter) indicates engine clutch issues. Hank
--------------------=20
From: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net =
Sent: May 8, 2024 at 3:31 PM PDT=20
Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive pressure or clutch slip Step 3=20
Just when you thought it was all over......
So, thanks for all the replies and advice so far. I've only been able to =
get back to the car in the last few days. Better weather and negotiating =
various domestic hurdles (usual stuff). Mindful of specific advice:- 1) =
I swapped the relay for a new one left over from the last bout. The one =
in the car passed the tests but it could have been marginal I suppose. =
2) I swapped the solenoid for a new one left over from the last bout. =
Ditto above. 3) I adjusted the Throttle Switch. God, that's a wretched =
thing. 4) Checked oil, electrics etcetc. 5) Pressure good at +/- 520psi =
6) OD going in & out per usual tests ie when sitting in the garage =
Etcetc Took the car out for a longer trip today. Performed very well for =
about 10 miles then the slippage(?) started again. Especially on hills. =
Removed the OD's fuse which, I reckon, puts the OD out of the game. =
Symptoms continued. Now.....I know and I've experienced low OD pressure. =
All's well until oil warms up and pressure drops. But, now I've =
supposedly taken the OD out of the equation, I'm asking myself, "ODs are =
effected by their oil's temperature but the flywheel/clutch connection =
is friction. So, it either slips or it doesn't ie regardless of =
temperature." Is that right??? Despite that question/worry of mine, I am =
leaning very much towards clutch slip as opposed to OD, which is pretty =
new don't forget. The slip is pretty drastic and seems to have worsened =
noticeably. I'm reluctant to take the box out until I've ruled out a few =
alternatives. If there are any! Besides an issue at the clutch plate to =
flywheel connection, is there anything else that can cause this? Or are =
there other areas yet to be explored. I really need to get this thing =
fixed as am hoping to take it over to Ireland in July. Simon =
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nguage:EN-US'>Fingers crossed for you Simon!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-la=
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style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Healeys =
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Lachlan =
via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 31, 2024 6:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
gradea1@charter.net<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Healeys' =
<healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] =
Overdrive pressure or clutch slip Step =
3<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This is, I truly hope, the =
final update which you deserve after all your =
advice.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cross yr fingers and toes but I =
think it's fixed. Not 100% sure what was wrong but it was like this:- =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>1) Removed gearbox. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>2) Inspected release bearing. =
Still had about 2mm of carbon but ordered new one anyhow. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>3) Removed clutch. Looked good =
as new, which it is/was virtually. Had my mate at local garage look too. =
He said it was fine. Had I had it in the right way round? Yes. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>4) As clutch passed visual and =
road test, slippage was now very likely to be within the driving half of =
the overdrive as I had +/- 520psi on my gauge. (Dave=E2=80=99s gauge =
said 550psi)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>5) No way was I was taking that =
half of the OD apart. Arranged to be up at ODSpares by 08:00 for Dave =
Twigger to dig into it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>6) He said there was some wear =
in both clutches, "cone" and "uni-directional". He'd =
replaced them both as silly not to once he'd got that far. He said that =
he wasn't sure if the wear was sufficient to cause the problem, but that =
it could. Not v. satisfactory. However, he=E2=80=99s the expert. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>7) Reassembled it all. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>8) So far, on two test runs, =
it's performed perfectly...=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..Frankly, I don't know =
where I am with the ****** thing. Not sure I trust it.....rather =
dispiriting actually. If it happens again, the gearbox can go in the =
attic and I'll look for a Toyota 5 speed! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks =
again,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Hank Leach =
<<a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net";>gradea1@charter.net</a>> =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 9, 2024 5:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> Simon =
Lachlan <<a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";>simon.lachlan@alexareve=
l.plus.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>=
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Healeys] Overdrive pressure or clutch slip Step =
3<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Simon-it sound to me that your slippage is in your driving =
clutch. If OD is in direct and the 8 springs doing their job, the =
engine clutch is suspect if slipping occurs. Healeys are known for =
that issue from the early days of oil on the disc. In rallies they =
sprayed the clutch with brake cleaner to stop the =
slipping.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB>Then too I remember that you had issues with your pressure =
plate when replaced...your model had 3 different PPs depending on the =
year and upgrade and the absolute correct one must be used with the =
correct gearbox.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-GB> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB>Slipping when it gets hot (or =
saturated) in direct drive (or in OD for that matter) indicates engine =
clutch issues. Hank<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-GB><br>-------------------- =
<br><br>From: "Simon Lachlan via Healeys" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
<br>Reply-To: "Simon Lachlan" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";>simon.lachlan@alexareve=
l.plus.com</a>> <br>Cc: "Healeys" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
<br>Sent: May 8, 2024 at 3:31 PM PDT <br>Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive =
pressure or clutch slip Step 3 <br>Just when you thought it was all =
over......<br>So, thanks for all the replies and advice so far. I've =
only been able to get back to the car in the last few days. Better =
weather and negotiating various domestic hurdles (usual stuff). Mindful =
of specific advice:- 1) I swapped the relay for a new one left over from =
the last bout. The one in the car passed the tests but it could have =
been marginal I suppose. 2) I swapped the solenoid for a new one left =
over from the last bout. Ditto above. 3) I adjusted the Throttle Switch. =
God, that's a wretched thing. 4) Checked oil, electrics etcetc. 5) =
Pressure good at +/- 520psi 6) OD going in & out per usual tests ie =
when sitting in the garage Etcetc Took the car out for a longer trip =
today. Performed very well for about 10 miles then the slippage(?) =
started again. Especially on hills. Removed the OD's fuse which, I =
reckon, puts the OD out of the game. Symptoms continued. Now.....I know =
and I've experienced low OD pressure. All's well until oil warms up and =
pressure drops. But, now I've supposedly taken the OD out of the =
equation, I'm asking myself, "ODs are effected by their oil's =
temperature but the flywheel/clutch connection is friction. So, it =
either slips or it doesn't ie regardless of temperature." Is that =
right??? Despite that question/worry of mine, I am leaning very much =
towards clutch slip as opposed to OD, which is pretty new don't forget. =
The slip is pretty drastic and seems to have worsened noticeably. I'm =
reluctant to take the box out until I've ruled out a few alternatives. =
If there are any! Besides an issue at the clutch plate to flywheel =
connection, is there anything else that can cause this? Or are there =
other areas yet to be explored. I really need to get this thing fixed as =
am hoping to take it over to Ireland in July. Simon =
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