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So its a rebuilt BN1 and one used parts of a BN2 (100M) to complete it. At=
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the end the one who repuilt it decided to swap the original VIN tag of the=
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BN1 against the one of the perhaps scrapped 100M he used the parts of for=
=20
his rebuild.
=20
Josef Eckert
Germany
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
Datum: 2023-12-28T13:23:57+0100
Von: "S and T Miller" <stmiller96@hotmail.com>
An: "josef-eckert@t-online.de" <josef-eckert@t-online.de>, "HealeyRick"=20
<healeyrik@gmail.com>
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The car on offer does have some valid M parts. Vin tag, cockpit trim, boot.=
=20
The engine I'd put a question mark next to because of the repro tag,=20
possibly incorrect carbs and incorrect distributor. I'm not really familiar=
=20
with original cold air boxes, but it did appear old.=20
I also felt IMO that the bonnet looked suspiciously clean and fresh. The=20
boot showed no evidence of the prop mount being removed and the boot itself=
=20
showed some signs of aging prior to restoration (namely some pitting). I=20
can't say that same about the bonnet in terms of the aging. The area where=
=20
the numbers are stamped has a support behind it. So in theory the number=20
could be cut out of an original bonnet and grafted into another new bonnet,=
=20
but this is just speculation and would take carefully scutiny to determine.=
=20
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The Millers
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"Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test=20
drive."
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From: josef-eckert@t-online.de <josef-eckert@t-online.de>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 2:58 PM
To: S and T Miller <stmiller96@hotmail.com>; HealeyRick=20
<healeyrik@gmail.com>
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: AW: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
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To understand it. What is the difference between this 100M car on offer and=
=20
a 100 BN1 modified with a 100 Le Mans kit, which has been given a different=
=20
identity through a swapped chassis number?
For me both cars are very similar.
=20
Josef Eckert
Germany
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Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
Datum: 2023-12-27T20:48:57+0100
Von: "S and T Miller" <stmiller96@hotmail.com>
An: "HealeyRick" <healeyrik@gmail.com>
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=20
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=20
Very true. From talking with Mike, I really don't think he initially knew=
=20
about the chassis and possible motor/ carb questions. He really doesn't=20
have a good understanding of Healeys. And I even can understand to a point=
=20
that he might be trying to even convince himself that it might be more than=
=20
it actually is. But how he has represented it after receiving a good=20
assessment, just sits a bit wrong with me.=20
=20
Anyway it may never be known who or when the "conversion" took place. But=
=20
the idea that the front cross bracing was bent to look like a M cam was=20
installed, and the two under the dash BN1 OD relay holes (4) being so=20
carefully concealed, tells me someone was trying to make it look legit.=20
=20
And I quess it just will be determined by the hammer price how much of it=
=20
really matters. It is a sharp looking car.=20
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The Millers
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"Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test=20
drive."
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From: HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:57 AM
To: S and T Miller <stmiller96@hotmail.com>
Cc: bspidell@comcast.net <bspidell@comcast.net>; healeys@autox.team.net=20
<healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
=20
Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who misrepresented what to=20
whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a 100M with a BN1 frame and possible=20
replacement motor to the original buyer who was clueless or was it the=20
original buyer that was doing the misrepresenting? There's probably some=20
grist for a lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer, I can't help=20
thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of those "The Healey Lawyer"=20
columns in the Marque?
=20
Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"
On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:41=E2=80=AFAM S and T Miller <stmiller96@hotmail.=
com
Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is trying to cast some doubt on it
being a BN1 chassis. Saying the firewall is a combination of both BN1 and
BN2 is plain false. Since I was the one who showed him in person why it
was a BN1 chassis he wanted to use my name saying we "believe" its a BN1
chassis, and I replied that "believe" doesn't categorize my opinion.
That everything points to being a BN1 chassis and nothing to a BN2.=20
Intesting note on the added restoration photos, #311 clearly shows the
cut out BN1 gearbox mount in the restoration photo. Odd it is on a
painted frame, but the BN2 one must have been welded in later. I'd
thought maybe it was of a different frame, but the front frame extensions
are missing in the pictured one as we'll, so probably not.
=20
I realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought that someone
misrepresented to him, but I kinda feel not so great about his
representation of the car on BAT. Again it is a nice car overall.=20
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:45:57 -0800
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT
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The expos? of the incorrect frame isn't stated in the text, but buried
in the video according to a commenter (I didn't watch it). It appears to
me the seller is attempting to straddle an ethical fence, apparently
with BaT's blessing
=20
The Millers
=20
"Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a test
drive."
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=
=3DUTF-8"/><title></title></head><body><p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;te=
xt-decoration:none">So its a rebuilt BN1 and one used parts of a BN2 (100M)=
to complete it. At the end the one who repuilt it decided to swap the orig=
inal VIN tag of the BN1 against the one of the perhaps scrapped 100M he use=
d the parts of for his rebuild.<br /></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Josef Eckert</span>=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none">Germany</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;text-decoration:none"> </span></p>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-12-28T13:23:57+0100</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "S and T Miller" <stmiller96@hotmail.com&=
gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "josef-eckert@t-online.de" <josef-eckert@t=
-online.de>, "HealeyRick" <healeyrik@gmail.com></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<div style=3D"position: relative; color: #000000; font: 12px Arial,Helvetic=
a,sans-serif;">
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; bac=
kground-color: transparent;"> </div>
<div>The car on offer does have some valid M parts. Vin tag, cockpit trim, =
boot. The engine I'd put a question mark next to because of the repro tag, =
possibly incorrect carbs and incorrect distributor. I'm not really familiar=
with original cold air boxes, but it did appear old. </div>
<div>I also felt IMO that the bonnet looked suspiciously clean and fresh. T=
he boot showed no evidence of the prop mount being removed and the boot its=
elf showed some signs of aging prior to restoration (namely some pitting). =
I can't say that same about the bonnet in terms of the aging. The area wher=
e the numbers are stamped has a support behind it. So in theory the number =
could be cut out of an original bonnet and grafted into another new bonnet,=
but this is just speculation and would take carefully scutiny to determine=
. </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>The Millers<br /> <br />"Always drive them, but remember each dri=
ve in an antique car is a test drive."</div>
<hr style=3D"display: inline-block; width: 98%;" tabindex=3D"-1" />
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-famil=
y: Calibri, sans-serif;"><strong>From:</strong> josef-eckert@t-online.de &l=
t;josef-eckert@t-online.de><br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, Decem=
ber 27, 2023 2:58 PM<br /><strong>To:</strong> S and T Miller <stmiller9=
6@hotmail.com>; HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com><br /><strong>Cc:<=
/strong> healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net><br /><strong=
>Subject:</strong> AW: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</span>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;"><span class=
=3D"x_HwtZe" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><span class=3D"x_=
ryNqvb">To understand it.</span></span> <span class=3D"x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><s=
pan class=3D"x_ryNqvb">What is the difference between this 100M car on offe=
r and a 100 BN1 modified with a 100 Le Mans kit, which has been given a dif=
ferent identity through a swapped chassis number?</span></span></span></spa=
n></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;"><span class=
=3D"x_HwtZe" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><span class=3D"x_=
ryNqvb">For me both cars are very similar.</span></span></span></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;"><span class=
=3D"x_HwtZe" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><span class=3D"x_=
ryNqvb">Josef Eckert</span></span></span></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;"><span class=
=3D"x_HwtZe" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"x_jCAhz x_ChMk0b"><span class=3D"x_=
ryNqvb">Germany</span></span></span></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;"> </spa=
n></p>
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<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-12-27T20:48:57+0100</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "S and T Miller" <stmiller96@hotmail.com&=
gt;</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "HealeyRick" <healeyrik@gmail.com></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<div style=3D"color: #000000; font: 12px Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;">
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; bac=
kground-color: transparent;"> </div>
<div>Very true. From talking with Mike, I really don't think he initially k=
new about the chassis and possible motor/ carb questions. He really doesn't=
have a good understanding of Healeys. And I even can understand to a point=
that he might be trying to even convince himself that it might be more tha=
n it actually is. But how he has represented it after receiving a good asse=
ssment, just sits a bit wrong with me. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Anyway it may never be known who or when the "conversion" took place. =
But the idea that the front cross bracing was bent to look like a M cam was=
installed, and the two under the dash BN1 OD relay holes (4) being so care=
fully concealed, tells me someone was trying to make it look legit. </=
div>
<div> </div>
<div>And I quess it just will be determined by the hammer price how much of=
it really matters. It is a sharp looking car. </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>The Millers<br /> <br />"Always drive them, but remember each dri=
ve in an antique car is a test drive."</div>
<hr style=3D"display: inline-block; width: 98%;" tabindex=3D"-1" />
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; color: #000000; font-famil=
y: Calibri,sans-serif;"><strong>From:</strong> HealeyRick <healeyrik@gma=
il.com><br /><strong>Sent:</strong> Wednesday, December 27, 2023 11:57 A=
M<br /><strong>To:</strong> S and T Miller <stmiller96@hotmail.com><b=
r /><strong>Cc:</strong> bspidell@comcast.net <bspidell@comcast.net>;=
healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net><br /><strong>Subject=
:</strong> Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</span>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Interesting question about misrepresentation. Who misrepre=
sented what to whom? Did the restorer misrepresent a 100M with a BN1 frame =
and possible replacement motor to the original buyer who was clueless or wa=
s it the original buyer that was doing the misrepresenting? There's probabl=
y some grist for a lawyer's mill in all this. (retired lawyer, I can't help=
thinking this way) Maybe I should start one of those "The Healey Lawyer" c=
olumns in the <em>Marque?</em>
<div><em> </em></div>
<div><em>Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"</em></div>
</div>
<br />
<div class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"x_x_gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:41=E2=
=80=AFAM S and T Miller <<a href=3D"mailto:stmiller96@hotmail.com";>stmil=
ler96@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; b=
order-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; bac=
kground-color: transparent;">Bob, I agree with you. And it seems he is tryi=
ng to cast some doubt on it being a BN1 chassis. Saying the firewall is a c=
ombination of both BN1 and BN2 is plain false. Since I was the one who show=
ed him in person why it was a BN1 chassis he wanted to use my name saying w=
e "believe" its a BN1 chassis, and I replied that "believe" doesn't c=
ategorize my opinion. That everything points to being a BN1 chassis and not=
hing to a BN2. </div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: inherit; bac=
kground-color: transparent;">Intesting note on the added restoration photos=
, #311 clearly shows the cut out BN1 gearbox mount in the restoration photo=
. Odd it is on a painted frame, but the BN2 one must have been welded in la=
ter. I'd thought maybe it was of a different frame, but the front frame ext=
ensions are missing in the pictured one as we'll, so probably not.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; color: inherit; background-color: trans=
parent;"> </div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; color: inherit; background-color: trans=
parent;">I realize he is trying to sell a car that he bought that someone m=
isrepresented to him, but I kinda feel not so great about his represe=
ntation of the car on BAT. Again it is a nice car overall. </div>
<div style=3D"font-family: inherit; color: inherit; background-color: trans=
parent;"><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Hel=
vetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Messa=
ge: 2</span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,=
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Da=
te: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:45:57 -0800</span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
4.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color:=
#ffffff; display: inline;">From: Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:bspidel=
l@comcast.net">bspidell@comcast.net</a>></span><br /><span style=3D"font=
-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; backgroun=
d-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">To: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.tea=
m.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a></span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.=
6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #=
ffffff; display: inline;">Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100M Back on BaT</span><br=
/><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial=
,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Message-ID: <<=
a href=3D"mailto:229b7fa6-3b3a-4221-b587-227de3ae0c2b@comcast.net";>229b7fa6=
-3b3a-4221-b587-227de3ae0c2b@comcast.net</a>></span><br /><span style=3D=
"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; back=
ground-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=
=3D"utf-8"; Format=3D"flowed"</span><br /><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 1=
4.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color:=
#ffffff; display: inline;">The expos? of the incorrect frame isn't stated =
in the text, but buried</span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; fo=
nt-family: Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; di=
splay: inline;">in the video according to a commenter (I didn't watch it). =
It appears to</span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family:=
Roboto,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inl=
ine;">me the seller is attempting to straddle an ethical fence, apparently<=
/span><br /><span style=3D"font-size: 14.6667px; font-family: Roboto,Helvet=
ica,Arial,sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff; display: inline;">with BaT=
's blessing</span></div>
<div> </div>
<div>The Millers<br /> <br />"Always drive them, but remember each dri=
ve in an antique car is a test drive."</div>
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