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Well, I did a bit more research=E2=80=A6actually in my own files and =
came up with this, below, from Roger Moment:-
QUOTE
From: owner-healeys@autox.team.net =
Sent: 17 March 2002 16:02
Subject: king pins
=20
A while back I posted a note alerting folks to the problem with some =
=E2=80=9Cgeneric=E2=80=9D kingpins that Moss was selling at the time. =
They were a BEAR to install and required much modification of the =
bushings to even provide proper lubrication.
I spoke with Michael Grant at Moss and he was very concerned about the =
problem. Subsequently he has re-sourced their kingpins from someone in =
England who has the tooling and, I believe, supplied Quintin Hazel. =
That is, the product the new source is providing is EXACTLY like the Q-H =
kingpins that had been available in the past.
I have just finished installing one of these new sets and am happy to =
report that they are really GREAT!!! They have the properly machined =
bushings, sized to go in with just the proper =E2=80=9Ccrush=E2=80=9D, =
and the correct cork rings. Plus the zirc fittings have the correct =
size threads and hex. The fulcrum pins even fit the bottom hole in the =
king pin properly and don=E2=80=99t require additional fussing.
The new box these king pins come in is still plain brown, but it has the =
following markings on it:
1) a blue-white-red Union Jack with MADE IIN GREAT BRITAIN
2) a white tag with QHQP295TCF and KING PIN SET BIG HEA and MADE IN =
:U.K.
=20
I believe Moss has replaced their older, poor-quality stock and the new =
ones are what you=E2=80=99ll receive if you order now. If you have some =
of the bad ones that you haven=E2=80=99t installed, I suggest you =
contact Moss about trying to exchange them.
And finally, for those of you who like to flame suppliers when parts =
aren=E2=80=99t perfect, be aware that many time suppliers do care, but =
need to get proper input as to problems. I am very impressed with the =
way Moss responded to this issue.
Remember that the parts business is very competitive regarding price, =
which drives suppliers to look for the cheapest parts to sell. Many of =
you will change suppliers over a few cents savings and that hurts those =
who may have better parts at higher prices. You often get what you pay =
for. Just remember.
Roger
UNQUOTE
That just about covers it!?!
As to using a QH part number..debatable but not too serious.
Simon
=20
=20
=20
From: HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>=20
Sent: 28 October 2023 16:28
To: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
Cc: Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] QH King Pins
=20
Hi Simon,
=20
If you google that QH part number, you'll see that it's not just Moss =
that uses it, but a number of other suppliers as well. Would be =
interesting to see what packaging they come in and where it says "Made =
in ..."=20
=20
Happy Healeying,
=20
Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"
=20
On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 1:57=E2=80=AFPM Simon Lachlan via Healeys =
Hi, I was browsing UK eBay the other day when I saw a King Pin set for =
sale from Moss Europe.:-=20
Austin-Healey 100-4 100-6 3000 - King pin =
<https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/173693416361> & Bush set - 1953-1968 =
BN1-BJ8 | eBay
Or just enter 173693416361.
This item caught my attention because, after reading Roger=E2=80=99s =
book, I was reminded that QH King Pins are hard to find and was pleased =
to find some at the big Beaulieu autojumble some weeks ago. I doubted =
that any big suppliers would have QH sets on their shelf and I =
furthermore doubted that, if they did have them, they=E2=80=99d need to =
flog them on eBay=E2=80=A6..
Anyhow, you=E2=80=99ll see that they=E2=80=99re giving it a Quentin =
Hazell part number which I don=E2=80=99t think is appropriate as I =
suspect that it=E2=80=99s not QH.
I queried:- =E2=80=9CIs this a genuine Q Hazell item? Thanks=E2=80=9D
They replied:- =E2=80=9CQH PART NUMBER, BUT NOT BOXED IN QH PACKAGING. =
rEGARDS=E2=80=9D
I replied:- =E2=80=9CThank you for this. But not very helpful. Is it a =
genuine QH part?
They replied:-
=E2=80=9CI dont believe so, I have no data to confirm QH we just use the =
part number.=E2=80=9D
=20
Naturally, I=E2=80=99m not accusing anyone, not hoping to be sued =
here=E2=80=A6.but I think it=E2=80=99s careless to say the least. =
Anybody got anything to add?? I suppose I=E2=80=99m just =
curious=E2=80=A6..does Moss have form for this?
Doubt I=E2=80=99ll pester eBay about this as I expect they=E2=80=99d not =
be too bothered.
Simon
=20
=20
=20
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Well, I did a bit more =
research=E2=80=A6actually in my own files and came up with this, below, =
from Roger Moment:-<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>QUOTE<o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
style=3D'mso-element:para-border-div;border:solid windowtext =
1.0pt;padding:1.0pt 1.0pt 1.0pt 1.0pt;background:#CCCCCC'><p =
class=3DMsoMessageHeader style=3D'background:#CCCCCC'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>From:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:owner-healeys@autox.team.net";>owner-healeys@autox.team.net=
</a><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> on behalf of =
</span><a href=3D"mailto:Rmoment@aol.com";>Rmoment@aol.com</a><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoMessageHeader>Sent:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
17 March 2002 16:02<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoMessageHeader><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'>To:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoMessageHeader>Subject:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 king =
pins<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoBodyText>A while back I posted a note alerting folks to the =
problem with some =E2=80=9Cgeneric=E2=80=9D kingpins that Moss was =
selling at the time.=C2=A0 They were a BEAR to install and required much =
modification of the bushings to even provide proper =
lubrication.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoBodyText>I spoke with Michael =
Grant at Moss and he was very concerned about the problem.=C2=A0 =
Subsequently he has re-sourced their kingpins from someone in England =
who has the tooling and, I believe, supplied Quintin Hazel.=C2=A0 That =
is, the product the new source is providing is EXACTLY like the Q-H =
kingpins that had been available in the past.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoBodyText>I have just finished installing one of these new =
sets and am happy to report that they are really GREAT!!!=C2=A0 They =
have the properly machined bushings, sized to go in with just the proper =
=E2=80=9Ccrush=E2=80=9D, and the correct cork rings.=C2=A0 Plus the zirc =
fittings have the correct size threads and hex.=C2=A0 The fulcrum pins =
even fit the bottom hole in the king pin properly and don=E2=80=99t =
require additional fussing.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoBodyText>The new =
box these king pins come in is still plain brown, but it has the =
following markings on it:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoList>1) a =
blue-white-red Union Jack with MADE IIN GREAT BRITAIN<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoList>2) a white tag with QHQP295TCF and KING PIN SET BIG HEA =
and MADE IN :U.K.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoBodyText>I believe =
Moss has replaced their older, poor-quality stock and the new ones are =
what you=E2=80=99ll receive if you order now.=C2=A0 If you have some of =
the bad ones that you haven=E2=80=99t installed, I suggest you contact =
Moss about trying to exchange them.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoBodyText>And finally, for those of you who like to flame =
suppliers when parts aren=E2=80=99t perfect, be aware that many time =
suppliers do care, but need to get proper input as to problems.=C2=A0 I =
am very impressed with the way Moss responded to this =
issue.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoBodyText>Remember that the parts =
business is very competitive regarding price, which drives suppliers to =
look for the cheapest parts to sell.=C2=A0 Many of you will change =
suppliers over a few cents savings and that hurts those who may have =
better parts at higher prices.=C2=A0 You often get what you pay =
for.=C2=A0 Just remember.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoBodyText>Roger<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoBodyText>UNQUOTE<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>That =
just about covers it!?!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>As to =
using a QH part number..debatable but not too serious.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Simon<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> 28 =
October 2023 16:28<br><b>To:</b> =
simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com<br><b>Cc:</b> Healeys =
<healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] QH King =
Pins<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hi =
Simon,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>If you google that QH part number, you'll see that =
it's not just Moss that uses it, but a number of other suppliers as =
well. Would be interesting to see what packaging they come in and where =
it says "Made in ..." <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Happy Healeying,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Rick Neville, aka =
"HealeyRick"<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 1:57=E2=80=AFPM Simon Lachlan via Healeys <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5=
0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi, I was =
browsing UK eBay the other day when I saw a King Pin set for sale from =
Moss Europe.:- <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a =
href=3D"https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/173693416361"; =
target=3D"_blank">Austin-Healey 100-4 100-6 3000 - King pin &amp; =
Bush set - 1953-1968 BN1-BJ8 | eBay</a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Or just =
enter <span =
style=3D'color:#333333;background:white'>173693416361.</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#333333;background:white'>This item caught my attention =
because, after reading Roger=E2=80=99s book, I was reminded that QH King =
Pins are hard to find and was pleased to find some at the big Beaulieu =
autojumble some weeks ago. I doubted that any big suppliers would have =
QH sets on their shelf and I furthermore doubted that, if they did have =
them, they=E2=80=99d need to flog them on =
eBay=E2=80=A6..</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Anyhow, =
you=E2=80=99ll see that they=E2=80=99re giving it a Quentin Hazell part =
number which I don=E2=80=99t think is appropriate as I suspect that =
it=E2=80=99s not QH.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I queried:- =
=E2=80=9C<span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#231F2=
0'>Is this a genuine Q Hazell item? =
Thanks=E2=80=9D</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#231F2=
0'>They replied:- =E2=80=9C</span><span style=3D'color:#231F20'>QH PART =
NUMBER, BUT NOT BOXED IN QH PACKAGING. =
rEGARDS=E2=80=9D</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#231F20'>I replied:- =E2=80=9CThank you for this. But not =
very helpful. Is it a genuine QH part?</span><o:p></o:p></p><table =
class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 =
align=3Dleft style=3D'background:white'><tr><td valign=3Dtop =
style=3D'padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:7.5pt;line-height:14.25pt;=
mso-element:frame;mso-element-frame-hspace:2.25pt;mso-element-wrap:around=
;mso-element-anchor-vertical:paragraph;mso-element-anchor-horizontal:colu=
mn;mso-height-rule:exactly'><span =
style=3D'color:#231F20;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>They =
replied:-</span><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></ta=
ble><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#231F20'>=E2=80=9CI dont believe so, I have no data to =
confirm QH we just use the part number.=E2=80=9D</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#231F20'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#231F20'>Naturally, I=E2=80=99m not accusing anyone, not =
hoping to be sued here=E2=80=A6.but I think it=E2=80=99s careless to say =
the least. Anybody got anything to add?? I suppose I=E2=80=99m just =
curious=E2=80=A6..does Moss have form for this?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#231F20'>Doubt I=E2=80=99ll pester eBay about this as I =
expect they=E2=80=99d not be too bothered.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#231F20'>Simon</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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