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What I actually wanted to say was that vintage cars from the 50s and 60s no=
=20
longer fit today's traffic. It's almost like a horse-drawn cart. You can=20
enjoy it in your free time if you enjoy it. But they no longer do justice=
=20
to the actual purpose for which they were built back then. I don't think it=
=20
matters anymore what kind of Austin-Healey you have. A Sprite or big Healey=
=20
is all equivalent. Most formerly original 100Ms have been modified and have=
=20
actually lost their original 100M status. They are nothing more than a=20
normal 100 that has also been modified. In my opinion, much rarer and=20
therefore more valuable are those that have been kept as close to their=20
original condition as possible or have been restored close to their=20
original condition with original parts. A car that is not built to the=20
original is nothing special and just an old car that has been repaired so=
=20
that it can be driven.
=20
I don't want to diminish the value and significance of Bill Mead's 100M,=20
but at least in the pictures the car no longer looks original enough to=20
still find its fans as a genuine factory 100M. In order to restore the=20
original condition, if it is still possible, a lot of effort is required.
=20
I've never seen my classic cars as an investment, but a lot of money went=
=20
into restoring each one, even though I do most of it myself, as I=20
personally enjoy that more than driving the cars. I'm only handing over=20
painting, major welding and gearbox overhaul as to say I'm just not good=20
enough at it. Only when a car is finished I actually want to keep it in=20
immaculate condition for as long as possible and am very careful about=20
driving it and also about any treatment. The value of the car itself is not=
=20
really important to me. In addition to my Austin-Healeys, I also have a=20
Morris Minor Lowlight Tourer, two Daimler SP250s (under complete=20
restoration) and a Mercedes Diesel (inherited from my father). The SP250=20
really appeals to me because the technology is completely different to the=
=20
Healeys, much more special and complex. It is a challenge to bring these=20
cars back to their almost original condition, as there are no sources for=
=20
technical spare parts other than in our own network. The SP250s are also=20
very different from each other, even though they are only about 2 years=20
apart in age. The first is the 18th ever built and has a lot of factory=20
improvisation with pre-production parts.
=20
=20
Josef Eckert
Germany
=20
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
Datum: 2023-09-06T23:54:06+0200
Von: "Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net>
An: "healeys@autox.team.net" <healeys@autox.team.net>
=20
=20
=20
Because many owners of classic cars regard their cars as an investment=20
(more or less) they tend to barely drive the car. Such a pity. I two months=
=20
ago I drove my Jensen-Healey to an event around the Loire in France,=20
organised by the British JOC. Participants came from Italy, Monaco, France,=
=20
UK, Germany, Netherlands. We did around 2000km of driving, mainly=20
secondary roads but I also ended up on the Boulevard P=C3=A9rif=C3=A9rique =
around=20
Paris in peak hour and at 35C. Two hours in very slow/blocked and dense=20
traffic with motor bikes flying around left and right in between the lanes=
=20
at 80km/h. Still I loved the trip. These cars are made for driving and=20
enjoying yourself, ok slightly masochistic perhaps, but still. They need=20
some mods to do so safely and reliably. Much better than have them 100%=20
original but not fit for modern traffic and sitting in the garage.=20
If we do not drive them our (grand)children would not either and are not=20
getting used to keep these cars on the road. They would not learn the=20
skills to repair and maintain them. They loose interest.
Mazda MX-5, the best British sports car ever, however a bit boring because=
=20
nothing goes wrong with them and modern engine management means that you=20
cannot do yourself an awful lot when things do go wrong.
Kees Oudesluijs
=20
Op 4-9-2023 om 09:11 schreef josef-eckert--- via Healeys:
My personal view is, cars of the 50/60s are becomming more and more
collectors cars and no more drivers cars. Pricewise its getting
important to have the car in unmodified order, original spec, original
colour, etc. In todays traffic its not nice to drive an Austin-Healey
on motorways or long distances with heavy traffic inbetween. The
collectors, I do not say drivers anymore, are in pensioners age. Most
younger people have no emotional relation to cars. A car is just a way
of commuting, but better to use public transport. I see it with my
daughter. She has no relation whatsoever with cars. She drives when she
must, but uses alternartives when they are given.
I see it with me. When I go to an Austin-Healey event or weekend, I
load the Healey on the trailer and bring it to the event. Its fun to
drive it there, but I really don`t like at all to drive my
Austin-Healeys over long distances. So I can keep it/them in good
original shape. here its really a nightmare to go with a classic car on
roads through central Europe from one congestion to the next.
For holidays meanwhile we have a Mazda MX-5, which gives same or even
more fun to drive on todays traffic. And it hase all the safety gadgets
like airbags, ertc. and the engine is a dream. It revs up from 2000 to
7000 rpm, just pulling.
So my personal view is, original classic cars may keep their value (not
sure if I am right), but modified ones will loose a lot. They lost
their classic appearance and even cannot cope with today`s traffic. The
original parts are gone, and replaced by Chinese tableware.
I think most important is to keep the original look with all the
chromeware, right colours for paint and trim and keep the car as they
were sold in the 50/60s. Time will tell, if I am right.
=20
Josef Eckert
Germany
=20
=20
=20
-----Original-Nachricht-----
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT
Datum: 2023-09-04T05:51:34+0200
Von: "Perry Small via Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net>
=20
=20
=20
Listers=20
As someone wrote in a song several decades ago there is a time.=20
A time to buy and a time sell. A time gather parts and a time to give
them away. I time to gift a grandson, with your 53 Chevy truck.=20
=20
A time to part with a BN2, that you have cherished for 58 years , a
time to wonder what to do, with the yellow modified,=20
Time , time, time=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
Perry- who is getting old
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 3, 2023, at 6:08 PM, HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>
Strange, I made a comment on BaT earlier today stating that it was
Bill's car, Registrar of the Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry with
nothing further and it was removed from the comments. There's also
no other reference in the description of the car referencing it as
Bill's.although there are some pictures of him.
=20
Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"
On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 9:27=E2=80=AFAM Bob Haskell via Healeys <
Looks like Bill Meade's 100M is on BAT now.
<https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-ro=
adster-25/>
--
Bob Haskell
Austin-Healey 3000 roadster registrar
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=3DUTF-8"/><title></title></head><body><p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span clas=
s=3D"HwtZe" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class=3D"ryNqvb"=
>What I actually wanted to say was that vintage cars from the 50s and 60s n=
o longer fit today's traffic. It's almost like a horse-drawn cart. You can =
enjoy it in your free time if you enjoy it. But they no longer do justice t=
o the actual purpose for which they were built back then. I don't think it =
matters anymore what kind of Austin-Healey you have. A Sprite or big Healey=
is all equivalent. Most formerly original 100Ms have been modified and hav=
e actually lost their original 100M status. They are nothing more than a no=
rmal 100 that has also been modified. In my opinion, much rarer and therefo=
re more valuable are those that have been kept as close to their original c=
ondition as possible or have been restored close to their original conditio=
n with original parts. A car that is not built to the original is nothing s=
pecial and just an old car that has been repaired so that it can be driven.=
</span></span></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;"><span class=
=3D"HwtZe" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class=3D"ryNqvb">=
I don't want to diminish the value and significance of Bill Mead's 100M, bu=
t at least in the pictures the car no longer looks original enough to still=
find its fans as a genuine factory 100M.</span></span> <span class=3D"jCAh=
z ChMk0b"><span class=3D"ryNqvb">In order to restore the original condition=
, if it is still possible, a lot of effort is required.</span></span></span=
></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;"> <span clas=
s=3D"HwtZe" lang=3D"en"><span class=3D"jCAhz ChMk0b"><span class=3D"ryNqvb"=
>I've never seen my classic cars as an investment, but a lot of money went =
into restoring each one, even though I do most of it myself, as I personall=
y enjoy that more than driving the cars. I'm only handing over painting, ma=
jor welding and gearbox overhaul as to say I'm just not good enough at it. =
Only when a car is finished I actually want to keep it in immaculate condit=
ion for as long as possible and am very careful about driving it and also a=
bout any treatment. The value of the car itself is not really important to =
me. In addition to my Austin-Healeys, I also have a Morris Minor Lowlight T=
ourer, two Daimler SP250s (under complete restoration) and a Mercedes Diese=
l (inherited from my father). The SP250 really appeals to me because the te=
chnology is completely different to the Healeys, much more special and comp=
lex. It is a challenge to bring these cars back to their almost original co=
ndition, as there are no sources for technical spare parts other than in ou=
r own network. The SP250s are also very different from each other, even tho=
ugh they are only about 2 years apart in age. The first is the 18th ever bu=
ilt and has a lot of factory improvisation with pre-production parts.</span=
></span></span></span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Josef Eckert<br />Germany</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-09-06T23:54:06+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys" <healeys@au=
tox.team.net></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "healeys@autox.team.net" <healeys@autox.te=
am.net></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<div style=3D"position: relative; color: #000000; font: 12px Arial,Helvetic=
a,sans-serif;">
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Because many owners of classic cars regard their =
cars as an investment (more or less) they tend to barely drive the car. Suc=
h a pity. I two months ago I drove my Jensen-Healey to an event around the =
Loire in France, organised by the British JOC. Participants came from Italy=
, Monaco, France, UK, Germany, Netherlands. We did around 2000km of d=
riving, mainly secondary roads but I also ended up on the Boulevard P&eacut=
e;riférique around Paris in peak hour and at 35C. Two hours in very =
slow/blocked and dense traffic with motor bikes flying around left and righ=
t in between the lanes at 80km/h. Still I loved the trip. These cars are ma=
de for driving and enjoying yourself, ok slightly masochistic perhaps, but =
still. They need some mods to do so safely and reliably. Much better than h=
ave them 100% original but not fit for modern traffic and sitting in the ga=
rage. </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">If we do not drive them our (grand)children would=
not either and are not getting used to keep these cars on the road. They w=
ould not learn the skills to repair and maintain them. They loose interest.=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Mazda MX-5, the best British sports car ever, how=
ever a bit boring because nothing goes wrong with them and modern engine ma=
nagement means that you cannot do yourself an awful lot when things do go w=
rong.</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Kees Oudesluijs</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Op 4-9-2023 om 09:11 schreef josef-eckert---=
via Healeys:</div>
<blockquote cite=3D"mid:1693811479970.1709253.f9f1265b0dbb6358ca62eb3236e31=
be4d38f4053@spica.telekom.de">
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">My personal=
view is, cars of the 50/60s are becomming more and more collectors cars an=
d no more drivers cars. Pricewise its getting important to have the car in =
unmodified order, original spec, original colour, etc. In todays traffic it=
s not nice to drive an Austin-Healey on motorways or long distances with he=
avy traffic inbetween. The collectors, I do not say drivers anymore, are in=
pensioners age. Most younger people have no emotional relation to cars. A =
car is just a way of commuting, but better to use public transport. I see i=
t with my daughter. She has no relation whatsoever with cars. She drives wh=
en she must, but uses alternartives when they are given.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">I see it wi=
th me. When I go to an Austin-Healey event or weekend, I load the Healey on=
the trailer and bring it to the event. Its fun to drive it there, but I re=
ally don`t like at all to drive my Austin-Healeys over long distances. So I=
can keep it/them in good original shape. here its really a nightmare to go=
with a classic car on roads through central Europe from one congestion to =
the next.</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">For holiday=
s meanwhile we have a Mazda MX-5, which gives same or even more fun to driv=
e on todays traffic. And it hase all the safety gadgets like airbags, ertc.=
and the engine is a dream. It revs up from 2000 to 7000 rpm, just pulling.=
</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">So my perso=
nal view is, original classic cars may keep their value (not sure if I am r=
ight), but modified ones will loose a lot. They lost their classic appearan=
ce and even cannot cope with today`s traffic. The original parts are gone, =
and replaced by Chinese tableware. </span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">I think mos=
t important is to keep the original look with all the chromeware, right col=
ours for paint and trim and keep the car as they were sold in the 50/60s. T=
ime will tell, if I am right. </span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">Josef Ecker=
t</span></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;">Germany</sp=
an></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"><span style=3D"font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000; text-decoration: none;"> </spa=
n></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">-----Original-Nachricht-----</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Betreff: Re: [Healeys] 100M on BAT</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Datum: 2023-09-04T05:51:34+0200</p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">Von: "Perry Small via Healeys" <a class=3D"moz-tx=
t-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";><healeys@autox.t=
eam.net></a></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;">An: "HealeyRick" <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396=
E" href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";><healeyrik@gmail.com></a></p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<p style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </p>
<div style=3D"position: relative; color: #000000; font: 12px Arial,Helvetic=
a,sans-serif;">Listers
<div>As someone wrote in a song several decades ago there is a time. <=
/div>
<div><br />
<div>A time to buy and a time sell. A time gather parts and a time to give =
them away. I time to gift a grandson, with your 53 Chevy truck. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>A time to part with a BN2, that you have cherished for 58 years , a ti=
me to wonder what to do, with the yellow modified, </div>
<div>Time , time, time……</div>
<div>Perry- who is getting old</div>
<div><br /><br />
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br />
<blockquote>On Sep 3, 2023, at 6:08 PM, HealeyRick <a class=3D"moz-txt-link=
-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com";><healeyrik@gmail.com><=
/a> wrote:<br /><br /></blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Strange, I made a comment on BaT earlier today stating tha=
t it was Bill's car, Registrar of the Worldwide 100M LeMans Registry with n=
othing further and it was removed from the comments. There's also no other =
reference in the description of the car referencing it as Bill's.although t=
here are some pictures of him.
<div> </div>
<div>Rick Neville, aka "HealeyRick"</div>
</div>
<br />
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 9:27=E2=80=AFA=
M Bob Haskell via Healeys <<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"ma=
ilto:healeys@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">Looks like Bill Meade's 100M=
is on BAT now.<br /><br /><a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https=
://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-bn2-roadster-25/" rel=
=3D"noreferrer">https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1956-austin-healey-100m-b=
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