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Re: [Healeys] Austin Healey 100 Misfire Diagnosis.

To: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Austin Healey 100 Misfire Diagnosis.
From: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 12:15:12 -0700
Cc: "healeys@autox.team.net" <healeys@autox.team.net>
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Do give the cap an eagle eye too - maybe also with a magnifying glass - I
had a bad experience with a hairline crack on a Lucas cap on a Mini many
years ago ... it was hardly visible and you know how HT can track ..
rg

On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 10:05 AM Michael Salter via Healeys <
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:

> This is a non-progress report.
> I found a few minutes to continue my efforts to trace this misfire fault.
> Removed the LT wire from the distributor and from the 2 coil terminals.
> Ran a jumper from the CB terminal of the coil to the distributor and a
> second jumper from the live starter solenoid terminal to the SW terminal =
of
> the coil, thus eliminating things like the ignition switch and the batter=
y
> master switch.
> Absolutely no change. In fact possibly worse.
> Next I'll pull out the distributor and check all the internal wiring, fit
> a different rotor and install a substitute coil.
> Stay tuned for further bulletins.
>
> M
>
> On Fri., Sep. 30, 2022, 12:41 a.m. Roland Wilhelmy, <sentenac.rw@gmail.co=
m>
> wrote:
>
>> So what is unique to a fuel stop besides the fuel?  Adding weight to the
>> boot area, opening the boot lid, removing the filler cap.  What else?
>>
>> An unvented filler cap could restrict fuel flow.  Extra weight  and even
>> opening the boot lid could shift some recalcitrant ground or other
>> connection or loose shorted wire. Maybe even at the battery switch.
>> -Roland
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022, 8:12 PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> BUT ... the fact that full throttle and climbing a slope with no change
>>> in the amount of misfiring tends to negate fuel blockage as a cause.
>>> I'm starting to think that the refueling situation is something of a
>>> "red herring" although it certainly is an odd one.
>>>
>>> On Thu., Sep. 29, 2022, 9:23 p.m. Alan Seigrist, <healey.nut@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good point.  I had a very similar experience when I had mistakenly use=
d
>>>> high heat silicone to seal the fuel tank sender, and I didn=E2=80=99t =
know that
>>>> fuel caused flakes of it to fall off and plug the pickup intermittentl=
y.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 4:38 AM, Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com=
>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I had a similar miss that was caused by a leaf that had gotten into
>>>>> the tank.  It would be pulled against the pickup by fuel flow and cau=
se the
>>>>> engine to lose power on all cylinders, as opposed to a miss.  When I =
either
>>>>> got off the gas pedal or shut the engine down the leaf would apparent=
ly
>>>>> fall away from the pickup and everything would be fine until the leaf=
 was
>>>>> once again pulled against the pickup, etc. etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I empirically came up with this theory after I pulled the fuel sender=
,
>>>>> searched around in the tank with a flashlight and found the leaf, and=
 after
>>>>> I removed it the miss went away.  How the leaf got into the tank when=
 the
>>>>> fuel filler is inside the boot is a larger issue I never figured out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best--Michael Oritt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:01 AM Don Anglesey via Healeys <
>>>>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I suspect that when the tank is filled any sediment or debris around
>>>>>> the tank intake is redistributed thru the fuel then it settles again=
.
>>>>>> Classic sign of bad fuel filter or sediment in tank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> fo=
r
>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From: *Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 29, 2022 8:10 AM
>>>>>> *To: *Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Cc: *Healey list <healeys@autox.team.net>
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Austin Healey 100 Misfire Diagnosis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to all who have obviously given this misfire issue
>>>>>> considerable thought. I will be sure to check all suggestions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I  should like to point out however that it is the immediate
>>>>>> vanishing of the misfire after filling the fuel tank that has me con=
fused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This has happened three times simce the problem appeared.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just don't understand how an ignition problem could change as a
>>>>>> result of filling the tank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Furthermore I'm convinced that this is not a fuel starvation problem
>>>>>> because the amount of engine power being used has no effect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Totally baffled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again to all ... I'll  report back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu., Sep. 29, 2022, 9:14 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, <
>>>>>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi John -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, that was the point I was trying to make, sorry if it fell
>>>>>> through bad interpretation!  As Ed McMahon used to say, "You Are Cor=
rect
>>>>>> Sir!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 7:53 PM john harper <ah100tech@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coils can fail with heat and then recover when cooled. I had one tha=
t
>>>>>> had these symptoms and when looking closely I saw that the insulatin=
g oil
>>>>>> had run out through a very small crack in the bottom of the case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Sept 2022 at 10:34, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just as a follow up to my email since the symptoms seem to manifest
>>>>>> themself  ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - whether the car is warmed up or not - this typically will
>>>>>>    exclude anything related to fuel or the coil
>>>>>>    - whether the car is under load or not - this typically will
>>>>>>    exclude anything related to fuel
>>>>>>    - whether the choke is pulled or not - this typically will
>>>>>>    exclude anything related to fuel
>>>>>>    - somewhat intermittent but systematically under all conditions -
>>>>>>    suggests to me wiring / ground issues
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given this I'd check (as a priority):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - Battery Master (when these fail they will ground the coil)
>>>>>>    - primary ignition wire (white) from the switch to coil (cycle
>>>>>>    the connections)
>>>>>>    - motor ground straps (cycle the connections)
>>>>>>    - loose wires in the dizzy
>>>>>>    - loose ignition wires into the dizzy or spark plug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other things to possibly do (as secondary):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - replace rotor
>>>>>>    - replace dizzy cap
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think it would be contacts or condensor simply because this
>>>>>> would either be very regular all the time, or maybe sensitive to tem=
p.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 4:46 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> re: "... I don=E2=80=99t recall if that wire is separate from the di=
stributor
>>>>>> wire ..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is (or should be). If the battery switch is in the 'OFF' position
>>>>>> it grounds the coil primary so no spark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Michael -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you tried cycling the connections on the white wire from the
>>>>>> ignition switch to the coil, and also from the coil to the distribut=
or.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You might also want to try disconnecting the black and white wire at
>>>>>> the coil from the battery master switch - if it=E2=80=99s failing yo=
u=E2=80=99ll get weird
>>>>>> symptoms like this.  If that wire is disconnected the car should run=
 no
>>>>>> problem.  I don=E2=80=99t recall if that wire is separate from the d=
istributor
>>>>>> wire, if it isn=E2=80=99t you=E2=80=99ll have to disconnect it from =
underneath the master
>>>>>> switch itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Do give the cap an eagle eye too - maybe also with a =
magnifying glass - I had a bad experience with a hairline crack on a Lucas =
cap on a Mini many years ago ... it was hardly visible and you know how HT =
can track ..<br></div><div>rg<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 10:05 AM Mich=
ael Salter via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healey=
s@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">This is a non-progress report.=C2=A0<div =
dir=3D"auto">I found a few minutes to continue my efforts to trace this mis=
fire fault.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Removed the LT wire from the distributor=
 and from the 2 coil terminals.</div><div dir=3D"auto">Ran a jumper from th=
e CB terminal of the coil to the distributor and a second jumper from the l=
ive starter solenoid terminal to the SW terminal of the coil, thus eliminat=
ing things like the ignition switch and the battery master switch.</div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">Absolutely no change. In fact possibly worse.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto">Next I&#39;ll pull out the distributor and check all the internal=
 wiring, fit a different rotor and install a substitute coil.=C2=A0</div><d=
iv dir=3D"auto">Stay tuned for further bulletins.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri., Sep. 30, 2022, 12:41 a.m. Roland =
Wilhelmy, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sentenac.rw@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">se=
ntenac.rw@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">So what is unique to a fuel stop besid=
es the fuel?=C2=A0 Adding weight to the boot area, opening the boot lid, re=
moving the filler cap.=C2=A0 What else?<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">An unvented filler cap could restrict fuel flow.=C2=A0 Extra weig=
ht=C2=A0 and even opening the boot lid could shift some recalcitrant ground=
 or other connection or loose shorted wire. Maybe even at the battery switc=
h.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">-Roland</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022, 8:12 PM =
Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; rel=3D"norefe=
rrer" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-lef=
t:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">BUT ... th=
e fact that full throttle and climbing a slope with no change in the amount=
 of misfiring tends to negate fuel blockage as a cause.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"au=
to">I&#39;m starting to think that the refueling situation is something of =
a &quot;red herring&quot; although it certainly is an odd one.</div></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu.=
, Sep. 29, 2022, 9:23 p.m. Alan Seigrist, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@=
gmail.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healey.nut@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex"><div dir=3D"auto">Good point.=C2=A0 I had a very similar experience whe=
n I had mistakenly used high heat silicone to seal the fuel tank sender, an=
d I didn=E2=80=99t know that fuel caused flakes of it to fall off and plug =
the pickup intermittently.</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 4:38 AM, Michael Orit=
t &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferr=
er noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">I had a similar m=
iss that was caused by a leaf that had gotten into the tank.=C2=A0 It would=
 be pulled against the pickup by fuel flow and cause the engine to lose pow=
er on all cylinders, as opposed to a miss.=C2=A0 When I either got off the =
gas pedal or shut the engine down the leaf would apparently fall away from =
the pickup and everything would be fine until the leaf was once again pulle=
d against the pickup, etc. etc.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"color:rgb(51,51,255)">I empirically came up with this theory after I pulle=
d the fuel sender, searched around in the tank with a flashlight and found =
the leaf, and after I removed it the miss went away.=C2=A0 How the leaf got=
 into the tank when the fuel filler is inside the boot is a larger issue I =
never figured out.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,=
51,255)"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,25=
5)">Best--Michael Oritt</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rg=
b(51,51,255)"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 29, 20=
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ys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I suspect that when the tank is filled any sediment =
or debris around the tank intake is redistributed thru the fuel then it set=
tles again.=C2=A0 Classic sign of bad fuel filter or sediment in tank.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Don</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink=
/?LinkId=3D550986" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blan=
k">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;borde=
r-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in"=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:medium none;padding:0in"><b>From: </=
b><a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">Michael Salter</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, September 29, 2022 8:10 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer norefe=
rrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">Alan Seigrist</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer nore=
ferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">Healey list</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Austin Healey 100 Misfire Diagnosis.</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks to all who have obviously given this misfire =
issue considerable thought. I will be sure to check all suggestions.=C2=A0<=
u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=C2=A0 should like to point out however that it is =
the immediate vanishing of the misfire after filling the fuel tank that has=
 me confused.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This has happened three times simce the problem appe=
ared.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I just don&#39;t understand how an ignition problem =
could change as a result of filling the tank.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Furthermore I&#39;m convinced that this is not a fue=
l starvation problem because the amount of engine power being used has no e=
ffect.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Totally baffled.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks again to all ... I&#39;ll=C2=A0 report back.<=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu., Sep. 29, 2022, 9:14 a.m. Alan Seigrist via =
Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer no=
referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote=
:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rg=
b(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium=
 medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi John -<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, that was the point I was trying to make, sorry =
if it fell through bad interpretation!=C2=A0 As Ed McMahon used to say, &qu=
ot;You Are Correct Sir!&quot;<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 7:53 PM john harper &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:ah100tech@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer"=
 target=3D"_blank">ah100tech@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rg=
b(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium=
 medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Coils can fail with heat and then recover when coole=
d. I had one that had these symptoms and when looking closely I saw that th=
e insulating oil had run out through a very small=C2=A0crack in the bottom =
of the case.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, 29 Sept 2022 at 10:34, Alan Seigrist &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">healey.nut@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rg=
b(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium=
 medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael -<br>
<br>
Just as a follow up to my email since the symptoms seem to manifest themsel=
f=C2=A0=C2=A0...=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
whether the car is warmed up or not - this typically will exclude anything =
related to fuel or the coil<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
whether the car is under load or not - this typically will exclude anything=
 related to fuel<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
whether the choke is pulled or not - this typically will exclude anything r=
elated to fuel<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
somewhat intermittent but systematically under all conditions - suggests to=
 me wiring / ground issues<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Given this I&#39;d check (as a priority):<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
Battery Master (when these fail they will ground the coil)<u></u><u></u></l=
i><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
primary ignition wire (white) from the switch to coil (cycle the connection=
s)<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
motor ground straps (cycle the connections)<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"=
MsoNormal">
loose wires in the dizzy<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
loose ignition=C2=A0wires into the dizzy or spark plug<u></u><u></u></li></=
ul>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Other things to possibly do (as secondary):<u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
replace rotor<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
replace dizzy cap<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don&#39;t think it would be contacts or condensor =
simply because this would either be very regular=C2=A0all the time, or mayb=
e sensitive to temp.<br>
<br>
Best,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 4:46 PM Bob Spidell &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer=
" target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rg=
b(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium=
 medium 1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">re: &quot;... I don=E2=
=80=99t recall if that wire is separate from the distributor wire ...&quot;=
<br>
<br>
It is (or should be). If the battery switch is in the &#39;OFF&#39; positio=
n it grounds the coil primary so no spark.<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:<u></u><u>=
</u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Michael -<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have you tried cycling the connections on the white =
wire from the ignition switch to the coil, and also from the coil to the di=
stributor.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You might also want to try disconnecting the black a=
nd white wire at the coil from the battery master switch - if it=E2=80=99s =
failing you=E2=80=99ll get weird symptoms like this.=C2=A0 If that wire is =
disconnected the car should run no problem.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t recall
 if that wire is separate from the distributor wire, if it isn=E2=80=99t yo=
u=E2=80=99ll have to disconnect it from underneath the master switch itself=
.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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