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Thanks to input from the List, I now think the (possible) reason for
Pertronix not recommending their unit for use with stranded copper wires
is RFI from the wires. The Ignitor uses hall effect sensing from the cam
lobes or a magnet collar to time the pulse to the coil, and RFI could
possibly interfere with that weak signal. I've always used Champion
resistor plugs, which may reduce RFI so as to not interfere with the
Ignitor. IIRC, the plugs I use have a resistance load of about 15Kohms,
equivalent to a foot or two of suppressor wires. IIRC, I'm not sure, but
I think the plug caps I use have built-in resistance as well. I have no
idea why Pertronix doesn't mention this, but from perusing their website
it appears they don't have much interest in selling to or supporting old
British car owners anymore (we are a dwindling demographic).
On 8/30/2022 7:09 PM, WILLIAM B LAWRENCE wrote:
> I had been using solid core wires since 2002, but when I changed to
> negative ground in 2019 the new pertronix had a warning against solid
> core (electronics sensitive to RF spikes or something) so I bought a
> set of carbon core wires and adapted them to my original (acorn nut)
> distributor cap by holding the brass washers in place with small brass
> screws inserted into the carbon core. No problems yet.
>
> Bill Lawrence
> BN1 #554
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Steven
> Kingsbury via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:28 PM
> *To:* Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
> *Cc:* healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy
> Bob,
> Thanks for the link, I'll check this out and chase it down. I know
> also you said you were using the solid core wires, but on this website
> you sent, it definitely advises against that. Like you, I wonder why.
> other than messing with a radio, I would see no disadvantage. And
> sense I have no radio, I don't mind messing with folks next to me and
> their radios!
> Stay tuned! (No pun intended)
> Steven
>
>> On Aug 30, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Found some here:
>>
>> https://vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/austin_healey.htm
>> <https://vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/austin_healey.htm>
>>
>> Looks like there's two versions--'early' and 'late'--for 4-cyl Healeys.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote:
>>> Been watching this entertaining discussion from the sidelines and
>>> I'm one of those: "it's your car, do what you want" guys, but I have
>>> a question about the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a
>>> change in plug wires is required. From solid core copper to carbon
>>> fiber. So how can those of you going back and forth from points to
>>> Pertronix doing it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core
>>> wires?
>>> I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base plate for the "ignitor"
>>> wouldn't fit where it was claimed, in the depression for the
>>> condensor, it fit way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and
>>> though I did get a backfire, I never got the car to run and gave up.
>>> I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned everything up, put
>>> everything back together, refit it with new points and reinstalled
>>> it in the car using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as
>>> close as possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got my timing light
>>> out, made the slightest adjustment and I'm back in the game.
>>> I have since been able to buy another distributor from a BN1, which
>>> was a bit of a mess inside, but was able to tear it apart, clean it,
>>> put it back together and it now works just fine and now if I have
>>> trouble on the side of the road, I have a spare distributor to
>>> switch out.
>>> But I may go the Pertronix path in the future, and the solid core
>>> wire question is still in my mind. As well as the placement of the
>>> ignitor. Or am I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the
>>> LU-149 kit. Thanks!
>>> Steven Kingsbury
>>> BN1
>>>
>>>> On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've had the pleasure of replacing a set of contact
>>>> points alongside the road in the dark. If you don't get the stack
>>>> of insulating washers and parts correct you are going nowhere and
>>>> it's awfully easy to drop one of the bits down and under the
>>>> car--with the same result.
>>>>
>>>> I put a Mallory Unilite distributor/ignition system in my Healey
>>>> about twenty years ago with absolutely no issue other than a
>>>> cracked external ballast resistor and about three years ago I
>>>> replaced the module simply because I did not want to push my luck
>>>> any further. On long trips I carry a spare distributor with drive
>>>> dog attached, allowing for quick and easy replacement and no need
>>>> to worry about timing so long as I pay careful attention to the
>>>> positions of the rotor and distributor body when switching things out.
>>>>
>>>> On my race cars I use Pertronix modules simply because the failure
>>>> mode is almost always total which makes diagnosis much easier
>>>> whereas with points there is one more component (the condenser)
>>>> plus very often when points ignitions go bad the problem is often
>>>> partial and/or intermittent, resulting in more time lost trying to
>>>> diagnose the problem with more sessions lost due to having more
>>>> possibilities to eliminate.
>>>>
>>>> Best--Michael Oritt
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys
>>>>
>>>> Since Pertronix don't have points I guess the answer is: "the
>>>> car would not have been disabled due to the points failing".
>>>> Gary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dwflagg--- via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net
>>>> Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Also, years ago whilst traveling the New York State Thruway I
>>>> came upon a disabled Austin Healey whilst driving my own to a
>>>> fraternity brother's wedding. This was before cell phones.
>>>> Disabled vehicles were at the mercy of tow trucks and
>>>> **exorbitant fees. It was **determined**Â there was no spark.
>>>> With no tools but just a nail clipper with a nail file, we
>>>> filed the **points,**Â and were both on our **way! Try**Â that
>>>> with a Pertronix unit!*
>>>>
>>>> *Doug*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *To add more fuel to the fire, while driving on the freeway
>>>> in Las Vegas years ago I had the rotor on my BN6 split in
>>>> two. A highway patrolman stopped and repaired it with super
>>>> glue and a rubber band. I limped home 15 miles â?? put on
>>>> another rotor and kept a spare for safety and the repaired
>>>> one in the parcel shelve for memories. Try that with a
>>>> Pertronix unit*
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>> *John Sims*
>>>> *www.healey6.com <http://www.healey6.com/>*
>>>> *Matawan, NJ*
>>>> **
>>>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 29, 2022 10:12 AM
>>>> *Cc:* List Healey <healeys@autox.team.net
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy
>>>>
>>>> Just wondering, the debate between this unit and the original
>>>> points has always been that you can replace the points in the
>>>> event of a failure on the side of the road. How difficult is it
>>>> to replace this unit in the same manner if you carried a spare,
>>>> and what would the cost be for that spare? I'm referring to
>>>> a1958 Bugeye here.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 8:21 AM patrick williams
>>>>
>>>> It's been close to 20 years ago, but Jeff rebuilt my
>>>> distributor, including the vacuum advance diaphram, and put
>>>> in a pertronix unit. I'm very happy with the results.
>>>> Pat Williams
>>>> 1960 BT7
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Thanks to input from the List, I now think the (possible) reason for
Pertronix not recommending their unit for use with stranded copper
wires is RFI from the wires. The Ignitor uses hall effect sensing
from the cam lobes or a magnet collar to time the pulse to the coil,
and RFI could possibly interfere with that weak signal. I've always
used Champion resistor plugs, which may reduce RFI so as to not
interfere with the Ignitor. IIRC, the plugs I use have a resistance
load of about 15Kohms, equivalent to a foot or two of suppressor
wires. IIRC, I'm not sure, but I think the plug caps I use have
built-in resistance as well. I have no idea why Pertronix doesn't
mention this, but from perusing their website it appears they don't
have much interest in selling to or supporting old British car
owners anymore (we are a dwindling demographic).<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/30/2022 7:09 PM, WILLIAM B
LAWRENCE wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:PH0PR20MB4445FF739056FF2873797AF9A5789@PH0PR20MB4445.namprd20.prod.outlook.com">
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inherit; background-color: transparent;">
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<div style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color:
inherit; background-color: transparent;">
I had been using solid core wires since 2002, but when I changed
to negative ground in 2019 the new pertronix had a warning
against solid core (electronics sensitive to RF spikes or
something) so I bought a set of carbon core wires and adapted
them to my original (acorn nut) distributor cap by holding the
brass washers <span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color:
transparent; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;">in place with
small brass screws inserted into the carbon core. No problems
yet.</span></div>
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inherit; background-color: transparent;">
<span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;"><br>
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<div style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color:
inherit; background-color: transparent;">
<span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;">Bill Lawrence</span></div>
<div style="font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color:
inherit; background-color: transparent;">
<span style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: transparent;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%;">BN1 #554</span></div>
<hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex="-1">
<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt"
face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b>
Healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";><healeys-bounces@autox.team.net></a>
on behalf of
Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 30, 2022 10:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bob Spidell <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";><bspidell@comcast.net></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Distributor guy</font>
<div>Â </div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Bob,<br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for the link, I'll check this out and chase it
down. I know also you said you were using the solid core
wires, but on this website you sent, it definitely advises
against that. Like you, I wonder why. other than messing
with a radio, I would see no disadvantage. And sense I have
no radio, I don't mind messing with folks next to me and
their radios!<br>
</div>
<div>Stay tuned! (No pun intended)<br>
</div>
<div>Steven</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On Aug 30, 2022, at 12:40 PM, Bob Spidell
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";><bspidell@comcast.net></a> wrote:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Found some here: <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a rel="noopener noreferrer"
href="https://vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/austin_healey.htm";
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/austin_healey.htm</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Looks like there's two versions--'early' and
'late'--for 4-cyl Healeys.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="x_moz-cite-prefix">On 8/30/2022 8:42 AM,
Steven Kingsbury via Healeys wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>Been watching this entertaining discussion from
the sidelines and I'm one of those: "it's your car,
do what you want" guys, but I have a question about
the Pertronix shift. According to the directions, a
change in plug wires is required. From solid core
copper to carbon fiber. So how can those of you
going back and forth from points to Pertronix doing
it? Or, are you just sticking with the solid core
wires? <br>
</div>
<div>I tried going to the Pertronix, but the base
plate for the "ignitor" wouldn't fit where it was
claimed, in the depression for the condensor, it fit
way off not quite 180 degrees but close, and though
I did get a backfire, I never got the car to run and
gave up.<br>
</div>
<div>I pulled the distributor, tore it apart, cleaned
everything up, put everything back together, refit
it with new points and reinstalled it in the car
using the cell phone photos I took to get it back as
close as possible and bam!, she fired right up! Got
my timing light out, made the slightest adjustment
and I'm back in the game.<br>
</div>
<div>I have since been able to buy another distributor
from a BN1, which was a bit of a mess inside, but
was able to tear it apart, clean it, put it back
together and it now works just fine and now if I
have trouble on the side of the road, I have a spare
distributor to switch out. <br>
</div>
<div>But I may go the Pertronix path in the future,
and the solid core wire question is still in my
mind. As well as the placement of the ignitor. Or am
I just using the wrong Pertronix kit? I've got the
LU-149 kit. Thanks!<br>
</div>
<div>Steven Kingsbury <br>
</div>
<div>BN1<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On Aug 29, 2022, at 11:28 PM, Michael Oritt <a
href="mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com";
class="x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<michael.oritt@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="x_gmail_default"
style="color:#3333ff">I've had the pleasure of
replacing a set of contact points alongside
the road in the dark. If you don't get the
stack of insulating washers and parts correct
you are going nowhere and it's awfully easy to
drop one of the bits down and under the
car--with the same result.  <br>
</div>
<div class="x_gmail_default"
style="color:#3333ff"><br>
</div>
<div class="x_gmail_default"
style="color:#3333ff">I put a Mallory Unilite
distributor/ignition system in my Healey about
twenty years ago with absolutely no issue
other than a cracked external ballast resistor
and about three years ago I replaced the
module simply because I did not want to push
my luck any further. On long trips I carry a
spare distributor with drive dog attached,
allowing for quick and easy replacement and no
need to worry about timing so long as I pay
careful attention to the positions of the
rotor and distributor body when switching
things out.<br>
</div>
<div class="x_gmail_default"
style="color:#3333ff"><br>
</div>
<div class="x_gmail_default"
style="color:#3333ff">On my race cars I use
Pertronix modules simply because the failure
mode is almost always total which makes
diagnosis much easier whereas with points
there is one more component (the condenser)
plus very often when points ignitions go bad
the problem is often partial and/or
intermittent, resulting in more time lost
trying to diagnose the problem with more
sessions lost due to having more possibilities
to eliminate. <br>
</div>
<div class="x_gmail_default"
style="color:#3333ff"><br>
</div>
<div class="x_gmail_default"
style="color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt<br>
</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="x_gmail_quote">
<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Mon, Aug
29, 2022 at 8:47 PM warthodson--- via Healeys
<<a class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext
moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="x_gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;
border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);
padding-left:1ex">
<div style="">
<div>Since Pertronix don't have points I
guess the answer is: "the car would not
have been disabled due to the points
failing". <br>
</div>
<div>Gary<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;
font-size:10pt; color:black"><span
class="x_size" style="font-size:13px">
<div>-----Original Message-----<br>
</div>
<div>From: dwflagg--- via Healeys <<a
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext
moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>
</div>
<div>To: <a
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext
moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:ahbn6@verizon.net";
moz-do-not-send="true">ahbn6@verizon.net</a><br>
</div>
<div>Cc: <a
class="x_moz-txt-link-freetext
moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true">
healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
</div>
<div>Sent: Mon, Aug 29, 2022 12:00 pm<br>
</div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Distributor
guy<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div
id="x_gmail-m_-7552218057579924020gmail-m_1594055351053211080gmail-m_-5893998475483822937yiv3368558838">
<div>
<div><b><span style=""><span
class="x_size"
style="font-size:12pt">Also,
years ago whilst traveling
the New York State Thruway I
came upon a disabled Austin
Healey whilst driving my own
to a fraternity brother's
wedding. This was before
cell phones. Disabled
vehicles were at the mercy
of tow trucks
and </span></span></b><b
style="font-size:16px">exorbitant
fees. It was
</b><span style=""><span
class="x_size"
style="font-size:16px"><b>determined</b></span></span><b
style="font-size:16px">Â there
was no spark. With no tools but
just a nail clipper with a nail
file, we filed the
</b><span style=""><span
class="x_size"
style="font-size:16px"><b>points,</b></span></span><b
style="font-size:16px">Â and were
both on our </b><span style=""><span
class="x_font" style=""><span
class="x_size"
style="font-size:12pt"><span
style=""><span
class="x_size"
style="font-size:16px"><b>way!
Try</b></span><span
class="x_font" style=""><span
style=""><span
class="x_size"
style="font-size:12pt"><b>Â that
with a Pertronix
unit!</b></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><br>
</div>
<div>Â <br>
</div>
<div><b><span style=""><span
class="x_size"
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<h1><b style="font-size:10pt"><span
style=""><span class="x_font"
style=""><span
class="x_size"
style="font-size:12pt">To
add more fuel to the fire,
while driving on the
freeway in Las Vegas years
ago I had the rotor on my
BN6 split in two. A
highway patrolman stopped
and repaired it with super
glue and a rubber band. I
limped home 15 miles â?? put
on another rotor and kept
a spare for safety and the
repaired one in the parcel
shelve for memories. Try
that with a Pertronix
unit</span></span></span></b><br>
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<div><b><span style=""><span
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NJ</span></span></span></b><br>
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<div><b>From:</b> Healeys <<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim
Ryan<br>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday,
August 29, 2022 10:12 AM<br>
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<div><b>To:</b> patrick
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Healeys] Distributor guy<br>
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<div>Â <br>
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<div>Just wondering, the debate
between this unit and the
original points has always
been that you can replace the
points in the event of a
failure on the side of the
road. How difficult is it to
replace this unit in the same
manner if you carried a spare,
and what would the cost be for
that spare? I'm referring to
a1958 Bugeye here.<br>
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<div>On Mon, Aug 29, 2022,
8:21 AM patrick williams
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<div>It's been close to 20
years ago, but Jeff
rebuilt my distributor,
including the vacuum
advance diaphram, and
put in a pertronix
unit. I'm very happy
with the results.<br>
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