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To: Curt Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Door Brace -
From: Randy Hicks via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:44:16 -0500
Cc: Healey List <healeys@autox.team.net>
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Curt is correct. If the head is truly =E2=80=9Cindistinguishable=E2=80=9D =
from original, there will be no deduction.

Randy

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:03 AM, Curtis Arndt <cnaarndt@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Jean,
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> I will have to re-read the current guidelines, but as far as I'm =
concerned, if an aluminium head is "Indistinguishable" from the =
original, there should be ZERO deductions!=20
>=20
> I have one on my car and it is "Indistinguishable" from the original.  =
Just like I have a period original 3.54 rear end and other unseen period =
options for my stock, non LeMans BN1 that will out run any "stock 100M". =
The whole point of AH Concours was to encourage our cars to be driven, =
and to NOT be "Trailer Queens" as are a lot of marque Concours.=20
>=20
> Another member of the Concours Committee has the exact same engine =
mods that I do, so I'm in good company. Neither of our cars can be =
distinguished as not being 100% stock from the factory in 1955.=20
>=20
> Cheers,
>=20
> Curt
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> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:39 PM Randall Hicks <healey100m@me.com =
> My Jan. 19, 1956 & Feb. 3, 1956 build BN2/100M=E2=80=99s both have the =
brace.
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> Randy
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Nov 17, 2021, at 10:12 PM, Curtis Arndt via Healeys =
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>> DO NOT REMOVE!=20
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>> That bracing was original to late BN2s, and as such is absolutely =
correct.  It's a not well known detail, but it is how it came from the =
factory (Jensen).
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>>=20
>> Curt
>>=20
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:06 PM Jean Caron via Healeys =
>> Quite possibly the reason why this was done.
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>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Door Brace -
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>> I think the doors would be prone to oilcanning without the braces.
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>> On Nov 17, 2021, at 6:21 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys =
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>> Jean, I  have now had an opportunity to check the doors in my low =
mileage BN2 and voil=C3=A0 there they are ... inside both doors.
>>=20
>> Must have been only on later cars because neither of my BN1s has =
them.
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>> On Wed., Nov. 17, 2021, 6:56 p.m. Jean Caron via Healeys, =
>>=20
>> Has anyone ever run into something like this, this is what appears to =
be a brace that was in the driver side door in the BN2 I am currently =
restoring. At the top it was attached to the horizontal wood piece held =
there with two countersunk wood screws. At the bottom, it entered and =
turned to the inside and was secured with two rivets to the door bottom =
frame piece.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Curt =
is correct. If the head is truly =E2=80=9Cindistinguishable=E2=80=9D =
from original, there will be no deduction.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Randy<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Nov =
18, 2021, at 11:03 AM, Curtis Arndt &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:cnaarndt@gmail.com"; class=3D"">cnaarndt@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Jean,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I will have to re-read the current&nbsp;guidelines, but as =
far as I'm concerned, if an aluminium head&nbsp;is "Indistinguishable" =
from&nbsp;the original, there should be =
ZERO&nbsp;deductions!&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
 class=3D"">I have one on my car and it is "Indistinguishable" from the =
original.&nbsp; Just like I have a period original 3.54 rear end and =
other unseen period options for my stock, non LeMans BN1 that will out =
run any "stock 100M". The whole point of AH Concours was to =
encourage&nbsp;our cars to be driven, and to NOT be "Trailer Queens" as =
are a lot of marque Concours.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Another member&nbsp;of the Concours =
Committee has the exact same engine mods that I do, so I'm in good =
company. Neither of our cars can be distinguished as not being 100% =
stock from the factory&nbsp;in 1955.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Cheers,</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Curt</div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov =
17, 2021 at 7:39 PM Randall Hicks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healey100m@me.com"=
 class=3D"">healey100m@me.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">My Jan. 19, 1956 &amp; Feb. 3, 1956 build =
BN2/100M=E2=80=99s both have the brace.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Randy<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Nov =
17, 2021, at 10:12 PM, Curtis Arndt via Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">DO NOT =
REMOVE!&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">That =
bracing was original to late BN2s, and as such is absolutely =
correct.&nbsp; It's a not well known detail, but it is how it came from =
the factory (Jensen).</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Cheers,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Curt</div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 7:06 PM Jean =
Caron via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





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<div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Quite possibly the reason why =
this was done.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jean</p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u class=3D""></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a =
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Mail</a> for Windows</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
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class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0cm"><b class=3D"">From: =
</b><a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">Bob Spidell</a><br class=3D"">
<b class=3D"">Sent: </b>November 17, 2021 9:03 PM<br class=3D"">
<b class=3D"">To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">Michael Salter</a><br class=3D"">
<b class=3D"">Cc: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com"; target=3D"_blank"=
 class=3D"">Jean Caron</a>;
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<b class=3D"">Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Door Brace -</p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></p>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think the doors would be prone =
to oilcanning without the braces.<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p>
</div>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
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<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt" class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">On Nov 17, 2021, at =
6:21 PM, Michael Salter via Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u class=3D""></u><u =
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</blockquote>
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<div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=EF=BB=BF<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></p>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jean, I&nbsp; have now had an =
opportunity to check the doors in my low mileage BN2 and voil=C3=A0 =
there they are ... inside both doors.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></p>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Must have been only on later cars =
because neither of my BN1s has them.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></p>
</div>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></p>
</div>
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">M<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></p>
</div>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u>&nbsp;<u =
class=3D""></u></p>
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed., Nov. 17, 2021, 6:56 p.m. =
Jean Caron via Healeys, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p>
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<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Has anyone ever run into =
something like this, this is what appears to be a brace that was in the =
driver side door in the BN2 I am currently restoring. At the top it was =
attached
 to the horizontal wood piece held there with two countersunk wood =
screws. At the bottom, it entered and turned to the inside and was =
secured with two rivets to the door bottom frame piece.</p><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp;<br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p =
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