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Re: [Healeys] FW: Dashpot OIl Wt

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Subject: Re: [Healeys] FW: Dashpot OIl Wt
From: Bill Kollar <wkollar@nycap.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 18:19:39 -0400
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Many, many moons ago (around 1963 or so, I was 16 and not really very 
Healey wise), my 54, 100-4 was actually being driven daily and not 
buried away in the back corner of the race barn/garage like it is 
today.  I usually used what ever oil was left over in the can (yes, can 
back then it was in a can, from oil changes, generally from my Modified 
Race Car.  What weight , you say?   It was straight 50 Weight, 
non-detergent, Oilzum.  The car ran well with no ill effects 
what-so-ever.  The carbs were adjusted using a length of fuel line to 
listen for proper synchronization (I certainty didn't have a fancy 
synchronization tool or for that matter the extra money to buy one.

_bill

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On 6/16/2021 7:56 AM, Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Healeys wrote:
>
> Gâ??day
>
> As a matter of interest, the SUs fitted to our 1948 Healey Saloon are 
> not fitted with rods at all.
>
> The caps are made from black Bakelite and I use dashpot oil sold by SU.
>
> Hoo Roo
>
> Patrick Quinn
>
> Blue Mountains, Australia
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *Michael Salter
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 16 June 2021 8:46 AM
> *To:* Harold Manifold
> *Cc:* Ahealey help
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Dashpot OIl Wt
>
> On later SUs with plastic caps a carb backfire will send the rod up 
> through the cap if too heavy an oil is used.
>
> M
>
> On Tue., Jun. 15, 2021, 6:42 p.m. Harold Manifold via Healeys, 
>
>     I checked two versions of the Healy Workshop Manual:
>
>     Issue 2 â?? 20W/20 or 20W/30
>
>     Issue 9 â?? 10W/30 or 10W/40
>
>     Both manuals have this statement â??In no circumstances should a
>     heavy-bodied lubricant be usedâ??. The oil is to act as a damper and
>     reduce the pistons in the carburetor from fluttering. Once the
>     temperature gets above about 40 deg C the viscosity is very
>     similar for all of the lubricants mentioned. Note 75W/90 gear oil
>     is very close to 15W/40 motor oil. Straight 90 is probably not a
>     good choice as it will be heavy-bodied at lower temperatures.
>
>     The manuals suggest the lightest oil that will control piston
>     flutter is the right one.
>
>     Harold
>
>     *Sent: *Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:20 PM
>     *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Dashpot OIl Wt
>
>     We have used 20 / 50 straight from an oil can on the bench for 40
>     years and never had a problem.
>
>     David Nock
>     British Car Specialists
>     209-948-8767
>     www.britishcarspecialists.com <http://www.britishcarspecialists.com>
>
>     *From:*Michael MacLean via Healeys
>
>     *Sent:*Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:18 PM
>
>     *To:*Ahealey help
>
>     *Subject:*[Healeys] Dashpot OIl Wt
>
>     I watched a recent John Twist YouTube video today on fitting H
>     type SU carbs to a T type MG.  In the video he says to use 90 wt
>     gear oil in the dashpot. He also said the lighter oils and ATF
>     that so many people recommend contribute to the early wear and
>     tear on the carb.  Anyone else using this weight oil in the carb? 
>     All my life I have been putting 20 wt oil in the dashpot.
>
>     Mike MacLean
>
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      <br>
      Many, many moons ago (around 1963 or so, I was 16 and not really
      very Healey wise), my 54, 100-4 was actually being driven daily
      and not buried away in the back corner of the race barn/garage
      like it is today.  I usually used what ever oil was left over in
      the can (yes, can back then it was in a can, from oil changes,
      generally from my Modified Race Car.  What weight , you say?   It
      was straight 50 Weight, non-detergent, Oilzum.  The car ran well
      with no ill effects what-so-ever.  The carbs were adjusted using a
      length of fuel line to listen for proper synchronization (I
      certainty didn't have a fancy </font><font face="Arial"><font
        face="Arial">synchronization tool or for that matter the extra
        money to buy one</font>.</font><br>
    <br>
    _bill<br>
    <br>
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    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/16/2021 7:56 AM, Patrick &amp;
      Caroline Quinn via Healeys wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">Gâ??day<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As a matter
            of interest, the SUs fitted to our 1948 Healey Saloon are
            not fitted with rods at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span 
style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The caps are
            made from black Bakelite and I use dashpot oil sold by 
SU.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span 
style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hoo 
Roo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span 
style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Patrick
            Quinn<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Blue
            Mountains, Australia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span 
style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
              lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
            lang="EN-US"> Healeys
            [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
 <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael
            Salter<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 16 June 2021 8:46 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Harold Manifold<br>
            <b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help<br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Dashpot OIl Wt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">On later SUs with plastic caps a carb
            backfire will send the rod up through the cap if too heavy
            an oil is used.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">M<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue., Jun. 15, 2021, 6:42 p.m.
              Harold Manifold via Healeys, &lt;<a
                href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-US">I checked two versions of the Healy
                    Workshop Manual:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-US">Issue 2 â?? 20W/20 or 
20W/30<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-US">Issue 9 â?? 10W/30 or 
10W/40<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-US">Both manuals have this statement â??In no
                    circumstances should a heavy-bodied lubricant be
                    usedâ??. The oil is to act as a damper and reduce the
                    pistons in the carburetor from fluttering. Once the
                    temperature gets above about 40 deg C the viscosity
                    is very similar for all of the lubricants mentioned.
                    Note 75W/90 gear oil is very close to 15W/40 motor
                    oil. Straight 90 is probably not a good choice as it
                    will be heavy-bodied at lower 
temperatures.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-US">The manuals suggest the lightest oil
                    that will control piston flutter is the right 
one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-US">Harold<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                    lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                        lang="EN-US">From: </span></b><span
                      lang="EN-US"><a
                        href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">David
                        Nock BCS via Healeys</a><br>
                      <b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:20 PM<br>
                      <b>To: </b><a
                        href="mailto:springer.mike51@gmail.com";
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Michael
                        MacLean</a>; <a
                        href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                        target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Ahealey
                        help</a><br>
                      <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Dashpot OIl 
Wt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:black"
                          lang="EN-US">We have used 20 / 50 straight
                          from an oil can on the bench for 40 years and
                          never had a problem.</span><span 
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;color:black"
                            lang="EN-US">David Nock<br>
                            British Car Specialists<br>
                            209-948-8767<br>
                            <a
                              href="http://www.britishcarspecialists.com";
                              target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a></span><span
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lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US"> Michael MacLean via
                                Healeys </span><span 
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  lang="EN-US">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US"> Tuesday, June 15, 2021
                                1:18 PM</span><span 
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                                  lang="EN-US">To:</span></b><span
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                                lang="EN-US"> Ahealey help </span><span
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                  lang="EN-US">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"
                                lang="EN-US"> [Healeys] Dashpot OIl 
Wt</span><span
                                lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  style="color:black" lang="EN-US">I
                                  watched a recent John Twist YouTube
                                  video today on fitting H type SU carbs
                                  to a T type MG.  In the video he says
                                  to use 90 wt gear oil in the dashpot. 
                                  He also said the lighter oils and ATF
                                  that so many people recommend
                                  contribute to the early wear and tear
                                  on the carb.  Anyone else using this
                                  weight oil in the carb?  All my life I
                                  have been putting 20 wt oil in the
                                  dashpot.  </span><span 
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                  style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Mike
                                  MacLean</span><span 
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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