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To: David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com>, "m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca" <m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca>, "pdzwig@summaventures.com" <pdzwig@summaventures.com>, "gradea1@charter.net" <gradea1@charter.net>, 'Michael Salter' <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers
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Dave, can it be mounted on a BJ8 with the everything in place?

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of David Nock <hea=
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Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 8:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers

These washers were there to help distribute the pressure on the timing cove=
r
gasket and help seal. Over the years the cover distorts and they don=92t wo=
rk
as well. So we have made a ring that goes around the timing cover completel=
y
on the 100 and the bottom 2/3 of the 6 cylinder motors. It replaces the ova=
l
washers and helps stop the seeping of the timing cover gaskets.



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From: m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 4:50 AM
To: pdzwig@summaventures.com ; gradea1@charter.net ; 'Michael Salter'
Cc: 'healeylist'
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers

For the record, I am pretty sure it is my motor that Mike is working on.   =
I
have a Heritage Certificate which gives the build date as 29 Sept to 6
October, 1959.  Dispatch date was 13 October.  That was for the car, and
they may have had motors built up and waiting for installation, but it ties
it down fairly closely.

Cheers, Mirek

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Peter Dzwig
Sent: January 4, 2021 5:28 AM
To: gradea1@charter.net; 'Michael Salter' <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Cc: 'healeylist' <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers

Completely agree. See my comment which was posted before I read Hank's mail=
.

It really would be interesting to have dates for the engines, but engine
stamps don't necessarily reflect build order.

Peter

On 03/01/2021 21:21, gradea1@charter.net wrote:
>
> I agree with Ira-production shortage-there were more than one supplier
> punching out these washers for the British auto industry using
> different jigs. Back then they didn't care what the shape was, but
> they desperately needed to ship cars to recover from the war. Mix and
> match was the order of the day.
>
> Here is a quote from my article about Austin from BMC Chief Leonard
> Lord:  After the war, the economy in Britain was also in ruins.
> Efforts by the government to improve it, only added restrictions to
> automobile manufacturing. It was a desperate time for Austin, and Lord
> decreed:
> "Get the stuff in by hook or crook...just get it in." So many
> materials were in demand but the scarce supply affected production and
> profits.
>
> Hank
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> From: "Michael Salter"
> To: "Skip Saunders"
> Cc: "healeylist"
> Sent: Sunday January 3 2021 12:54:26PM
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine detail
>
> Good observation Skip and one that made me go back and look again ..
>
> image.png
> As you can see the sides of one of the 2 odd washers (both are the
> same) are absolutely parallel.
> It would take someone with a lot of skill to shear the sides off
> individually to achieve that degree of accuracy on both washers and
> really ... would anyone go to that much effort?
>
>
> image.png
> Additionally the washers have been punched out, not ground or filed to
> size as is evident from the shear marks on the sides.
>
> I realize that this is totally insignificant in the scheme of things
> but being a very poor sleeper I tend to stay awake at night and think
> about these things. :-)
>
> I have found that there is usually a good explanation for these things
> but this has me stumped.
>
> Please ... help me get a good night's sleep.
>
> M
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:28 PM Skip Saunders <tfsbj7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Judging by the curvature of the washers, the five appear to be of
>     the original manufactured type.  The two appear to be regular
>     washers that have been ground down to fit in the narrow channel.  Do
>     you see the same disparity among washers in the oil pan (it too uses
>     those types of narrow channel compatible washers I believe.)
>     Thanks
>     -skip-
>
>     On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 12:57 PM Michael Salter
>     <michaelsalter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>         I'm working on an early 3000 engine and have found these 2
>         different types of
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Dave, can it be mounted on a BJ8 with the everything in place?<br>
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&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 4, 2021 8:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca &lt;m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca&gt;; pdzwig@su=
mmaventures.com &lt;pdzwig@summaventures.com&gt;; gradea1@charter.net &lt;g=
radea1@charter.net&gt;; 'Michael Salter' &lt;michaelsalter@gmail.com&gt;<br=
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<b>Cc:</b> 'healeylist' &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers</font>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">These washers were there to help distribute the pr=
essure on the timing cover
<br>
gasket and help seal. Over the years the cover distorts and they don=92t wo=
rk <br>
as well. So we have made a ring that goes around the timing cover completel=
y <br>
on the 100 and the bottom 2/3 of the 6 cylinder motors. It replaces the ova=
l <br>
washers and helps stop the seeping of the timing cover gaskets.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
David Nock<br>
healeydoc@sbcglobal.net<br>
209 948 8767<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com";>www.britishcarspecialists.=
com</a><br>
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alloffame.org</a><br>
-----Original Message----- <br>
From: m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca<br>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 4:50 AM<br>
To: pdzwig@summaventures.com ; gradea1@charter.net ; 'Michael Salter'<br>
Cc: 'healeylist'<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers<br>
<br>
For the record, I am pretty sure it is my motor that Mike is working on.&nb=
sp;&nbsp; I <br>
have a Heritage Certificate which gives the build date as 29 Sept to 6 <br>
October, 1959.&nbsp; Dispatch date was 13 October.&nbsp; That was for the c=
ar, and <br>
they may have had motors built up and waiting for installation, but it ties=
 <br>
it down fairly closely.<br>
<br>
Cheers, Mirek<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Healeys &lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; On Behalf Of Peter Dzw=
ig<br>
Sent: January 4, 2021 5:28 AM<br>
To: gradea1@charter.net; 'Michael Salter' &lt;michaelsalter@gmail.com&gt;<b=
r>
Cc: 'healeylist' &lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers<br>
<br>
Completely agree. See my comment which was posted before I read Hank's mail=
.<br>
<br>
It really would be interesting to have dates for the engines, but engine <b=
r>
stamps don't necessarily reflect build order.<br>
<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
On 03/01/2021 21:21, gradea1@charter.net wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I agree with Ira-production shortage-there were more than one supplier=
<br>
&gt; punching out these washers for the British auto industry using<br>
&gt; different jigs. Back then they didn't care what the shape was, but<br>
&gt; they desperately needed to ship cars to recover from the war. Mix and<=
br>
&gt; match was the order of the day.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Here is a quote from my article about Austin from BMC Chief Leonard<br=
>
&gt; Lord:&nbsp; After the war, the economy in Britain was also in ruins.<b=
r>
&gt; Efforts by the government to improve it, only added restrictions to<br=
>
&gt; automobile manufacturing. It was a desperate time for Austin, and Lord=
 <br>
&gt; decreed:<br>
&gt; &quot;Get the stuff in by hook or crook...just get it in.&quot; So man=
y<br>
&gt; materials were in demand but the scarce supply affected production and=
 <br>
&gt; profits.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hank<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----------------------------------------<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; From: &quot;Michael Salter&quot;<br>
&gt; To: &quot;Skip Saunders&quot;<br>
&gt; Cc: &quot;healeylist&quot;<br>
&gt; Sent: Sunday January 3 2021 12:54:26PM<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine detail<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Good observation Skip and one that made me go back and look again ..<b=
r>
&gt;<br>
&gt; image.png<br>
&gt; As you can see the sides of one of the 2 odd washers (both are the<br>
&gt; same) are absolutely parallel.<br>
&gt; It would take someone with a lot of skill to shear the sides off<br>
&gt; individually to achieve that degree of accuracy on both washers and<br=
>
&gt; really ... would anyone go to that much effort?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; image.png<br>
&gt; Additionally the washers have been punched out, not ground or filed to=
<br>
&gt; size as is evident from the shear marks on the sides.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I realize that this is totally insignificant in the scheme of things<b=
r>
&gt; but being a very poor sleeper I tend to stay awake at night and think<=
br>
&gt; about these things. :-)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I have found that there is usually a good explanation for these things=
<br>
&gt; but this has me stumped.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Please ... help me get a good night's sleep.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; M<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:28 PM Skip Saunders &lt;tfsbj7@gmail.com&gt; =
wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Judging by the curvature of the washers, the f=
ive appear to be of<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the original manufactured type.&nbsp; The two =
appear to be regular<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; washers that have been ground down to fit in t=
he narrow channel.&nbsp; Do<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; you see the same disparity among washers in th=
e oil pan (it too uses<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; those types of narrow channel compatible washe=
rs I believe.)<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -skip-<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 12:57 PM Michael Salter=
<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;michaelsalter@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm working on an earl=
y 3000 engine and have found these 2<br>
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; different types of<br>
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