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David
Is your fan belt in good order. I had one that was 'lumpy' with some cross
sections being different to others. I had great difficulty working out
where the vibration came from. In the event it was the car that told me by
fracturing the dynamo bracket
On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 03:54, David Porter <frogeye@porterscustom.com>
wrote:
> Well, then it is rotational for sure, not a bearing that is failing but
> perhaps already failed, perhaps allowing the O/D annulus to scrape the
> surrounding housing...though it did not sound like steel on aluminum to me.
> You have moved the noise from rear to midway.. perhaps if you haven't,
> check for a failed motor mount and the crank pulley scraping the cross
> member?? DP
>
>
> On August 22, 2020, at 6:46 PM, Roger Grace via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Not a lot of progress...
>
> Brake cable is well clear of propshaft and securely clipped.
>
> Universal U joint/spline phasing is correct.
>
> Been doing lots of listening with stethoscope.
> With propshaft disconnected, am able hear noise in 2nd or 4th when
> slipping clutch (reduces speed)
> Assume is the same noise and less distinct because of the engine noise.
> Not nearly as distinct as when shaft is connected and rear wheels
> freewheeling in neutral and engine off.
> Loudest area seems to be rear GB casing near rear bearing.
> This still does not sound like a bearing to my ears ?
>
> Plan to try to get a 2nd expert opinion with younger ears !
>
> rg
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com>
> To: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>, 'healeylist' <healeys@autox.team.net
> >
> Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:47:51 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise
>
> Drive shaft hitting the handbrake cable when the car is jacked up.
> Probably
> will go away when sitting on the ground.
>
>
> David
> Nock
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> *From:*Roger Grace via Healeys
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:27 AM
> *To:*'healeylist'
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Mystery noise
>
> AH people - fighting a noise in my BJ8 that may or may not be
> serious.
> Reluctant to tear out the tranny unnecessarily and then to find it was
> something simple !
>
> Notice it at low speed (probably exists at driving speed but too much wind
> and engine
> noise) if shift to neutral and cut ignition to minimize engine
> and exhaust noise.
> Noise is pulsating - like a tire with a bad spot but seems to be at
>
> prop shaft speed.
>
> At first thought that it was at wheel speed and from R side.
> So changed out the R wheel bearing.
> No improvement
>
> Then while looking below noted that universals had some play.
> So changed out both universals.
> Rear brakes not dragging and no binding of wheels.
> No improvement.
>
> Did listening on hoist with others listening too. Consensus was that there
> was a noise at rear OD area as well as the pulsating one.
>
> So pulled annulus in situ and replaced both rear bearings. Quieter but
> still the pulsating noise while coasting in N.
>
> Sound file enclosed is a road test from about 15 MPH then shift to N and
> cut engine. Tunnel cover off.
>
> Able to replicate noise with engine on axle stands but not by turning a
> rear wheel by hand or with an e motor.
>
> Noise does appear to come from transmission.
>
> To verify is not diff removed one of the rear seats and noise doesn't
> appear to be coming from diff area.
> Disconnecting prop shaft to isolate diff not possible as need the inertia
> of the rear wheels to produce the pulsing.
>
> About 5k miles ago I changed out the larger OD front bearing (sourced from
>
> Moss ... ?) in the OD.
> OD works fine and transmission shifts and works OK without unusual
>
> noises.
>
> The pulsating/cyclical nature of the noise baffles me and not consistent
>
> with a bearing failure ?
>
> Given that it occurs in neutral with no gears meshing it surely is not a
> bad gear tooth etc.
> OD not engaged so it is locked so not likely there.
> Removed gearbox top cover and did inspection - nothing obvious.
> So to my mind this only leaves the GB rear bearing ?
> Or maybe a broken circlip or thrust washer and probably on main shaft
> external to gearbox ?
> or half shaft ?
>
> Any comments/thoughts appreciated from the more experienced
> among us.
> Tkx
> rg
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<div dir=3D"ltr">David<div><br></div><div>Is your fan belt in good order.=
=C2=A0I had one that was 'lumpy' with some cross sections being dif=
ferent to others. I had great difficulty=C2=A0working out where the vibrati=
on came from. In the event it was the car that told me by fracturing=C2=A0t=
he dynamo bracket</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 03:54, David Porter <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:frogeye@porterscustom.com";>frogeye@porterscustom.com</a>> w=
rote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font face=
=3D"Calibri"><p dir=3D"ltr">Well, then it is rotational for sure, not a bea=
ring that is failing but perhaps already failed, perhaps allowing the O/D a=
nnulus to scrape the surrounding housing...though it did not sound like ste=
el on aluminum to me. You have moved the noise from rear to midway.. perhap=
s if you haven't, check for a failed motor mount and the crank pulley s=
craping the cross member??=C2=A0 DP</p>
<br><br>On August 22, 2020, at 6:46 PM, Roger Grace via Healeys <<a href=
=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net=
</a>> wrote:<br><br><br></font><div><div><div>Not a lot of progress...<b=
r></div><div><br></div><div>Brake cable is well clear of propshaft and secu=
rely clipped.</div><div><br></div><div>Universal U joint/spline phasing is =
correct.</div><div><br></div><div>Been doing lots of listening with stethos=
cope.<br></div><div>With propshaft disconnected, am able hear noise in 2nd =
or 4th when slipping clutch (reduces speed)<br></div><div>Assume is the sam=
e noise and less distinct because of the engine noise.<br></div><div>Not ne=
arly as distinct as when shaft is connected and rear wheels freewheeling in=
neutral and engine off.<br></div><div>Loudest area seems to be rear GB cas=
ing near rear bearing.<br></div><div>This still does not sound like a beari=
ng to my ears ?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Plan to try to get a 2nd exper=
t opinion with younger ears !<br></div><div><br></div><div>rg</div></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>----- Original Message -----<br>From: David Nock <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">healeydoc@gmail.com</a=
>><br>To: Roger Grace <<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.net</a>>, 'healeylist' <<a href=3D=
"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a=
>><br>Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:47:51 -0600 (MDT)<br>Subject: Re: [Heale=
ys] Mystery noise<br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12pt;font-family:Century;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>Drive shaft hitting=
the handbrake cable when the car is jacked up. Probably <br>will go away w=
hen sitting on the ground.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div styl=
e=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Century;color:rgb(0,0,0)">David <br>Nock<br=
><a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeydoc@sbc=
global.net</a><br>209 948 <br>8767<br><a href=3D"http://www.britishcarspeci=
alists.com" target=3D"_blank">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a><br><div><br=
></div>Help us have our Founder Norman <br>Nock inducteed into the <br>Brit=
ish Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for <br>your favorites <br>by visi=
ting the site <br>at.<br><a href=3D"http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.o=
rg" target=3D"_blank">www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org</a><br></div><div =
style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weig=
ht:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline"><div style=3D"=
font:10pt tahoma"><div>=C2=A0</div><div style=3D"background:rgb(245,245,245=
)"><div><b>From:</b><a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net">Roger Grace via Hea=
leys</a><br></div><div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:27 AM</div=
><div><b>To:</b><a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net">'healeylist'</a=
><br></div><div><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Mystery noise</div></div></div><d=
iv>=C2=A0</div></div><div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;fon=
t-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;disp=
lay:inline"><div><div>AH people - fighting a noise in my BJ8 that may or ma=
y not be <br>serious.</div><div>Reluctant to tear out the tranny unnecessar=
ily and then to find it was <br>something simple !<br></div><div>=C2=A0</di=
v><div>Notice it at low speed (probably exists at driving speed but too muc=
h wind <br>and engine <br>noise) if shift to neutral and cut ignition to mi=
nimize engine <br>and exhaust noise.</div><div>Noise is pulsating - like a =
tire with a bad spot but seems to be at <br><div><br></div>prop shaft speed=
.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>At first thought that it was at wheel speed an=
d from R side.</div><div>So changed out the R wheel bearing.</div><div>No i=
mprovement</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Then while looking below noted that u=
niversals had some play.</div><div>So changed out both universals.</div><di=
v>Rear brakes not dragging and no binding of wheels.</div><div>No improveme=
nt.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Did listening on hoist with others listening=
too. Consensus was that there <br>was a noise at rear OD area as well as t=
he pulsating one.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>So pulled annulus in situ and =
replaced both rear bearings. Quieter but <br>still the pulsating noise whil=
e coasting in N.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Sound file enclosed is a road t=
est from about 15 MPH then shift to N and <br>cut engine. Tunnel cover off.=
<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Able to replicate noise with engine on axle=
stands but not by turning a <br>rear wheel by hand or with an e motor.<br>=
</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Noise does appear to come from transmission.<br=
></div><div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>To verify is not diff removed one of the =
rear seats and noise doesn't <br>appear to be coming from diff area.<br=
></div><div>Disconnecting prop shaft to isolate diff not possible as need t=
he inertia <br>of the rear wheels to produce the pulsing.</div></div><div>=
=C2=A0</div><div>About 5k miles ago I changed out the larger OD front beari=
ng (sourced from <br><div><br></div>Moss ... ?) in the OD.</div><div>OD wor=
ks fine and transmission shifts and works OK without unusual <br><div><br><=
/div>noises.</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>The pulsating/cyclical nature of th=
e noise baffles me and not consistent <br><div><br></div>with a bearing fai=
lure ?</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>Given that it occurs in neutral with no g=
ears meshing it surely is not a <br>bad gear tooth etc.<br></div><div>OD no=
t engaged so it is locked so not likely there.<br></div><div>Removed gearbo=
x top cover and did inspection - nothing obvious.<br></div><div>So to my mi=
nd this only leaves the GB rear bearing ?</div><div>Or maybe a broken circl=
ip or thrust washer and probably on main shaft <br>external to gearbox ?<br=
></div><div>or half shaft ?<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div>Any comments/thoughts=
appreciated from the more experienced <br>among us. <br><div>Tkx</div><div=
>rg<br></div></div><hr><p><br>_____________________________________________=
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