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Not a lot of progress...
Brake cable is well clear of propshaft and securely clipped.
Universal U joint/spline phasing is correct.
Been doing lots of listening with stethoscope.
With propshaft disconnected, am able hear noise in 2nd or 4th when slipping
clutch (reduces speed)
Assume is the same noise and less distinct because of the engine noise.
Not nearly as distinct as when shaft is connected and rear wheels freewheeling
in neutral and engine off.
Loudest area seems to be rear GB casing near rear bearing.
This still does not sound like a bearing to my ears ?
Plan to try to get a 2nd expert opinion with younger ears !
rg
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From: David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com>
To: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>, 'healeylist' <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:47:51 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise
Drive shaft hitting the handbrake cable when the car is jacked up. Probably
will go away when sitting on the ground. David
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From:Roger Grace via Healeys
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:27 AMTo:'healeylist'
Subject: [Healeys] Mystery noise AH people - fighting a noise in my BJ8 that
may or may not be
serious.Reluctant to tear out the tranny unnecessarily and then to find it was
something simple !
Notice it at low speed (probably exists at driving speed but too much wind
and engine
noise) if shift to neutral and cut ignition to minimize engine
and exhaust noise.Noise is pulsating - like a tire with a bad spot but seems to
be at
prop shaft speed. At first thought that it was at wheel speed and from R
side.So changed out the R wheel bearing.No improvement Then while looking below
noted that universals had some play.So changed out both universals.Rear brakes
not dragging and no binding of wheels.No improvement. Did listening on hoist
with others listening too. Consensus was that there
was a noise at rear OD area as well as the pulsating one. So pulled annulus in
situ and replaced both rear bearings. Quieter but
still the pulsating noise while coasting in N. Sound file enclosed is a road
test from about 15 MPH then shift to N and
cut engine. Tunnel cover off.
Able to replicate noise with engine on axle stands but not by turning a
rear wheel by hand or with an e motor.
Noise does appear to come from transmission.
To verify is not diff removed one of the rear seats and noise doesn't
appear to be coming from diff area.
Disconnecting prop shaft to isolate diff not possible as need the inertia
of the rear wheels to produce the pulsing. About 5k miles ago I changed out the
larger OD front bearing (sourced from
Moss ... ?) in the OD.OD works fine and transmission shifts and works OK
without unusual
noises. The pulsating/cyclical nature of the noise baffles me and not
consistent
with a bearing failure ? Given that it occurs in neutral with no gears meshing
it surely is not a
bad gear tooth etc.
OD not engaged so it is locked so not likely there.
Removed gearbox top cover and did inspection - nothing obvious.
So to my mind this only leaves the GB rear bearing ?Or maybe a broken circlip
or thrust washer and probably on main shaft
external to gearbox ?
or half shaft ?
Any comments/thoughts appreciated from the more experienced
among us.
Tkxrg
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<html><head><style> body {height: 100%; color:#000000; font-size:12pt; font=
-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;}</style></head><body><div><div>Not a lo=
t of progress...<br></div><div><br></div><div>Brake cable is well clear of =
propshaft and securely clipped.</div><div><br></div><div>Universal U joint/=
spline phasing is correct.</div><div><br></div><div>Been doing lots of list=
ening with stethoscope.<br></div><div>With propshaft disconnected, am able =
hear noise in 2nd or 4th when slipping clutch (reduces speed)<br></div><div=
>Assume is the same noise and less distinct because of the engine noise.<br=
></div><div>Not nearly as distinct as when shaft is connected and rear whee=
ls freewheeling in neutral and engine off.<br></div><div>Loudest area seems=
to be rear GB casing near rear bearing.<br></div><div>This still does not =
sound like a bearing to my ears ?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Plan to try =
to get a 2nd expert opinion with younger ears !<br></div><div><br></div><di=
v>rg</div></div><div><br></div><div>----- Original Message -----<br>From: D=
avid Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com><br>To: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus=
.net>, 'healeylist' <healeys@autox.team.net><br>Sent: Thu, 20 Aug =
2020 12:47:51 -0600 (MDT)<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Mystery noise<br></div>=
<div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family:=
'Century'; color: #000000;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family=
: 'Century'; color: #000000;"><div>Drive shaft hitting the handbrake cable =
when the car is jacked up. Probably <br>will go away when sitting on the gr=
ound.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div style=3D"font-size: 12pt;=
font-family: 'Century'; color: #000000;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12pt=
; font-family: 'Century'; color: #000000;">David <br>Nock<br>healeydoc@sbcg=
lobal.net<br>209 948 <br>8767<br>www.britishcarspecialists.com<br><div><br>=
</div>Help us have our Founder Norman <br>Nock inducteed into the <br>Briti=
sh Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for <br>your favorites <br>by visit=
ing the site <br>at.<br>www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org<br></div><div st=
yle=3D"font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: 'Calibri'; fon=
t-weight: normal; color: #000000; font-style: normal; display: inline;" dat=
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ri'; font-weight: normal; color: #000000; font-style: normal; display: inli=
ne;"><div style=3D"font: 10pt tahoma;" data-mce-style=3D"font: 10pt tahoma;=
"><div> </div><div style=3D"background: #f5f5f5;" data-mce-style=3D"ba=
ckground: #f5f5f5;"><div style=3D"font-color: black;" data-mce-style=3D"fon=
t-color: black;"><b>From:</b><a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net">Roger Grac=
e via Healeys</a><br></div><div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 20, 2020 10:2=
7 AM</div><div><b>To:</b><a title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net">'healeylist'</=
a><br></div><div><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Mystery noise</div></div></div><=
div> </div></div><div style=3D"font-size: small; text-decoration: none=
; font-family: 'Calibri'; font-weight: normal; color: #000000; font-style: =
normal; display: inline;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: small; text-decorati=
on: none; font-family: 'Calibri'; font-weight: normal; color: #000000; font=
-style: normal; display: inline;"><div><div>AH people - fighting a noise in=
my BJ8 that may or may not be <br>serious.</div><div>Reluctant to tear out=
the tranny unnecessarily and then to find it was <br>something simple !<br=
></div><div> </div><div>Notice it at low speed (probably exists at dri=
ving speed but too much wind <br>and engine <br>noise) if shift to neutral =
and cut ignition to minimize engine <br>and exhaust noise.</div><div>Noise =
is pulsating - like a tire with a bad spot but seems to be at <br><div><br>=
</div>prop shaft speed.</div><div> </div><div>At first thought that it=
was at wheel speed and from R side.</div><div>So changed out the R wheel b=
earing.</div><div>No improvement</div><div> </div><div>Then while look=
ing below noted that universals had some play.</div><div>So changed out bot=
h universals.</div><div>Rear brakes not dragging and no binding of wheels.<=
/div><div>No improvement.</div><div> </div><div>Did listening on hoist=
with others listening too. Consensus was that there <br>was a noise at rea=
r OD area as well as the pulsating one.</div><div> </div><div>So pulle=
d annulus in situ and replaced both rear bearings. Quieter but <br>still th=
e pulsating noise while coasting in N.</div><div> </div><div>Sound fil=
e enclosed is a road test from about 15 MPH then shift to N and <br>cut eng=
ine. Tunnel cover off.<br></div><div> </div><div>Able to replicate noi=
se with engine on axle stands but not by turning a <br>rear wheel by hand o=
r with an e motor.<br></div><div> </div><div>Noise does appear to come=
from transmission.<br></div><div><div> </div><div>To verify is not di=
ff removed one of the rear seats and noise doesn't <br>appear to be coming =
from diff area.<br></div><div>Disconnecting prop shaft to isolate diff not =
possible as need the inertia <br>of the rear wheels to produce the pulsing.=
</div></div><div> </div><div>About 5k miles ago I changed out the larg=
er OD front bearing (sourced from <br><div><br></div>Moss ... ?) in the OD.=
</div><div>OD works fine and transmission shifts and works OK without unusu=
al <br><div><br></div>noises.</div><div> </div><div>The pulsating/cycl=
ical nature of the noise baffles me and not consistent <br><div><br></div>w=
ith a bearing failure ?</div><div> </div><div>Given that it occurs in =
neutral with no gears meshing it surely is not a <br>bad gear tooth etc.<br=
></div><div>OD not engaged so it is locked so not likely there.<br></div><d=
iv>Removed gearbox top cover and did inspection - nothing obvious.<br></div=
><div>So to my mind this only leaves the GB rear bearing ?</div><div>Or may=
be a broken circlip or thrust washer and probably on main shaft <br>externa=
l to gearbox ?<br></div><div>or half shaft ?<br></div><div> </div>Any =
comments/thoughts appreciated from the more experienced <br>among us. <br><=
div>Tkx</div><div>rg<br></div></div><hr><p><br>____________________________=
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