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Thanks to all who contributed to trying to solve another Healey unsolved
mystery. Funny how we look back on the early iterations of the marque as
being preferred when so often they were discontinued because of lack of
sales. Look at the bugeye/frogeye for instance. The +2 cars became
popular as growing families needed "room for the tads" as one Healey advert
said. And at a time when Heleys were not just weekend cars but the sole
means of transport of lots of young people it would be hard to compete with
the MGB and TR4 without roll-up windows and a convertible top. But rarity
now rules. His the BN7 that started my question, certainly more value than
a BT7:
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/es20/the-european-sale-featuring-the-pet=
itjean-collection/lots/r0061-1961-austin-healey-3000-mk-ii-bn7/856437
Healthy Healeying,
Rick Neville
On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 3:18 PM Jean Caron <
vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Josef,
>
> Exactly, they were no longer selling, thus the low number. Somehow, at
> some point, someone mentioned how few were made, and for some reason beyo=
nd
> common sense, these cars became sought after.
>
>
>
> Jean
>
>
>
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>
> *From: *josef-eckert@t-online.de
> *Sent: *June 20, 2020 2:11 PM
> *To: *Healey, Forum <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Number of Center-change BN7s
>
>
>
> The number was so low as nobody wanted them as there was a better
> alternative in the BT7, even the Bn7s were cheaper than the better lookin=
g
> and more praticable BT7s.
> Now some try to tell they are so rare they should be worth much more. The=
y
> are rare as nobody wanted them.
>
> So what=C2=B4s interesting on a car nobody wanted?
>
> Josef Eckert
>
>
>
> -----Original-Nachricht-----
> Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Number of Center-change BN7s
> Datum: 2020-06-20T16:35:01+0200
> Von: "Max Byers" <sbyers@ec.rr.com>
> An: "'Healeys'" <healeys@autox.team.net>
>
> "Seems like this is a question the archivists at the British Motor Museum
> ought to be able to answer".
>
> Yes, they should be able to answer such questions if they were willing to
> do it. To my knowledge, the archive staff will provide a certificate wit=
h
> original build data for a given chassis number when requested and paid fo=
r,
> or they will respond to a single question about a given chassis number wh=
en
> submitted through a "web request" at their website and paid for; but I
> don't think they will go through all the records to total up a certain
> characteristic for the cars in general. That's what Anders Clausager did
> to produce his book.
> At the moment, the public is free to go there in person and research for
> themselves, with pre-arrangement with the staff. Given recent changes at
> BMIHT, I'm not certain even this option will last too much longer.
>
> Steve Byers
> HBJ8L/36666
> BJ8 Registry
> AHCA Delegate at Large
> Havelock, NC USA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
> <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net>] On Behalf Of Bob Haskell
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 8:41 AM
> To: HealeyRick; Healeys
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Number of Center-change BN7s
>
> Rick,
>
> I don't have a definitive number. As total production was 355, 354
> can't be correct. BN7 Mk II production began in May 1961 and the last
> BN7 was produced in March '62. The center shift gearbox was introduced
> in November. There were 141 produced in '62, so 125 can't be right eithe=
r.
>
> If one attempts to calculate build rates, 355 over 11 months is 32.3 per
> month. For just '61, 214 over 8 months is 26.8 per month. For just
> '62, 141 over 3 months is 47 per month. So pick a rate for part of
> November and December. 141 plus 60? Gets around 200?
>
> About 59% of the cars in the registry are center shift, based on the VIN
> of the first car HBN7/16039. 59% of 355 is 210.
>
> Liars, damn liars and statisticians.
>
> Seems like this is a question the archivists at the British Motor Museum
> ought to be able to answer.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>
> On 6/20/20 7:27 AM, HealeyRick wrote:
> > Writing an auction article for /Healey Marque/ about the auction of a
> > center-change, tri-carb, BN7. Auction house says 220 were built. I've
> > seen numbers of 354 and 125. Anyone have the correct number?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Rick Neville
> >
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks to all who contributed to trying to solve another H=
ealey unsolved mystery.=C2=A0 Funny how we look back on the early iteration=
s of the marque as being preferred when so often they were discontinued bec=
ause of lack of sales.=C2=A0 Look at the bugeye/frogeye for instance.=C2=A0=
The=C2=A0+2 cars became popular as growing families needed "room for =
the tads" as one Healey advert said.=C2=A0 And at a time when Heleys w=
ere not just weekend cars but the sole means of transport of lots of young =
people it would be hard to compete with the MGB and TR4 without roll-up win=
dows and a convertible top.=C2=A0 But rarity now rules.=C2=A0 His the BN7 t=
hat started my question, certainly more value than a BT7:=C2=A0=C2=A0
<a href=3D"https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/es20/the-european-sale-featur=
ing-the-petitjean-collection/lots/r0061-1961-austin-healey-3000-mk-ii-bn7/8=
56437">https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/es20/the-european-sale-featuring-=
the-petitjean-collection/lots/r0061-1961-austin-healey-3000-mk-ii-bn7/85643=
7</a><div><br></div><div>Healthy Healeying,</div><div>Rick Neville</div></d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On =
Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 3:18 PM Jean Caron <<a href=3D"mailto:vintage_roads=
ter_restoration@hotmail.com">vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-CA">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_434860516564991315WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Josef,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Exactly, they were no longer selling, thus the low n=
umber. Somehow, at some point, someone mentioned how few were made, and for=
some reason beyond common sense, =C2=A0these cars became sought after.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jean</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink=
/?LinkId=3D550986" target=3D"_blank">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0cm"><b>From: </b><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:josef-eckert@t-online.de"; target=3D"_blank">josef-eckert@t-onl=
ine.de</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>June 20, 2020 2:11 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">Heal=
ey, Forum</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Number of Center-change BN7s</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">The number was so low a=
s nobody wanted them as there was a better alternative in the BT7, even the=
Bn7s were cheaper than the better looking and more praticable BT7s.<br>
Now some try to tell they are so rare they should be worth much more. They =
are rare as nobody wanted them.
<br>
<br>
So what=C2=B4s interesting on a car nobody wanted?<br>
<br>
Josef Eckert<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original-Nachricht-----<br>
Betreff: Re: [Healeys] Number of Center-change BN7s<br>
Datum: 2020-06-20T16:35:01+0200<br>
Von: "Max Byers" <<a href=3D"mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>><br>
An: "'Healeys'" <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.=
net" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>
<br>
"Seems like this is a question the archivists at the British Motor Mus=
eum <br>
ought to be able to answer".<br>
<br>
Yes, they should be able to answer such questions if they were willing to d=
o it.=C2=A0 To my knowledge, the archive staff will provide a certificate w=
ith original build data for a given chassis number when requested and paid =
for, or they will respond to a single
question about a given chassis number when submitted through a "web r=
equest" at their website and paid for; but I don't think they will=
go through all the records to total up a certain characteristic for the ca=
rs in general.=C2=A0 That's what Anders Clausager did
to produce his book.=C2=A0 <br>
At the moment, the public is free to go there in person and research for th=
emselves, with pre-arrangement with the staff.=C2=A0 Given recent changes a=
t BMIHT, I'm not certain even this option will last too much longer.<br=
>
<br>
Steve Byers<br>
HBJ8L/36666<br>
BJ8 Registry<br>
AHCA Delegate at Large<br>
Havelock, NC=C2=A0 USA<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Healeys [<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"=
_blank">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of Bob Haskell=
<br>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 8:41 AM<br>
To: HealeyRick; Healeys<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Number of Center-change BN7s<br>
<br>
Rick,<br>
<br>
I don't have a definitive number.=C2=A0 As total production was 355, 35=
4 <br>
can't be correct.=C2=A0 BN7 Mk II production began in May 1961 and the =
last <br>
BN7 was produced in March '62.=C2=A0 The center shift gearbox was intro=
duced <br>
in November.=C2=A0 There were 141 produced in '62, so 125 can't be =
right either.<br>
<br>
If one attempts to calculate build rates, 355 over 11 months is 32.3 per <b=
r>
month.=C2=A0 For just '61, 214 over 8 months is 26.8 per month.=C2=A0 F=
or just <br>
'62, 141 over 3 months is 47 per month.=C2=A0 So pick a rate for part o=
f <br>
November and December. 141 plus 60?=C2=A0 Gets around 200?<br>
<br>
About 59% of the cars in the registry are center shift, based on the VIN <b=
r>
of the first car HBN7/16039.=C2=A0 59% of 355 is 210.<br>
<br>
Liars, damn liars and statisticians.<br>
<br>
Seems like this is a question the archivists at the British Motor Museum <b=
r>
ought to be able to answer.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Bob Haskell<br>
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar<br>
<br>
On 6/20/20 7:27 AM, HealeyRick wrote:<br>
> Writing an auction article for /Healey Marque/ about the auction of a =
<br>
> center-change, tri-carb, BN7.=C2=A0 Auction house says 220 were built.=
=C2=A0 I've <br>
> seen numbers of 354 and 125.=C2=A0 Anyone have the correct number?<br>
> <br>
> Thanks in advance,<br>
> Rick Neville<br>
> <br>
<br>
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