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Remove the pump and take a close look with a loop at the check ball seat. Yo=
u will find it is worn on one side. Purchase a 1/4=E2=80=9D ball reamer and=
make a new seat for the check ball. Also remove the operating rod and do th=
e same with a 5/16=E2=80=9D ball reamer.=20
David Nock
British Car Specialists
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 25, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> My thinking was that pressure may be escaping past worn accumulator piston=
rings and housing not allowing full pressure to build up ... ?
> rg
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
> To: Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net>
> Cc: healeylist <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, 25 May 2020 06:04:41 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Re: Overdrive non return valve Question
>=20
> Sorry but suggesting a replacement accumulator has me confused. If the pr=
essure is staying up as described surely the accumulator is not leaking badl=
y ... what am I missing?
> M
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>> On Mon., May 25, 2020, 12:10 a.m. Roger Grace, <roggrace@telus.net> wrote=
:
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> As you say you need need new accumulator piston/rings/sleeve and O-Rings.=
>> This improved pressure on mine from 340 psi with very slow engaging to ov=
er 550 psi.=20
>> Works fine now.
>> Suggest that you upgrade to the modern O ring style piston instead of the=
original metal ring style.
>> If you were closer could let you have the extra new spring that I have, b=
ut Can border closed.
>> Overdrive Spares in UK are most helpful.
>> Good luck ...
>> rg
>>=20
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jpaynepbr@cox.net
>> To: gradea1@charter.net
>> Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
>> Sent: Sun, 24 May 2020 20:21:52 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive non return valve Question
>>=20
>> Shimmed the spring on the pump check valve by .08=E2=80=9D.=20
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Shope let me borrow an accumulator spring that was 3/64=E2=80=9D longer.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Up to over 450+ psi now. OD will engage with the rear jacked up, but not=
while driving. On jack stands, when OD is engaged, drops to +/- 410 psi th=
en quickly comes back up to 450+.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Did not change out accumulator piston/rings/sleeve or O-Rings yet, was ho=
ping to avoid that.
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Thinking about trying a 1/16=E2=80=9D washer to shim the accumulator spri=
ng or is it a lost cause?=20
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>> From:gradea1@charter.net <gradea1@charter.net>=20
>> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 10:26 AM
>> To: 'jpaynepbr@cox.net' <jpaynepbr@cox.net>
>> Cc: 'healeys@autox.team.net' <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> Subject: RE: [Healeys] Overdrive non return valve Question
>>=20
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>> OD Pressure should be much higher-could be 600 PSI. As I previously state=
d, be sure that the ball in the operating valve is the correct size- 1/4" OD=
in pump valve. The upper valve uses a 5/16" OD ball and you cannot mix them=
up, our your pressure will not be there. Too large or small a ball will not=
seat in the valve chamber. Also, if replacing with a new ball and spring, t=
ake a brass drift and "seat" the ball in its position. What is the condition=
of the piston rings and O rings...they must be up to the task as well for t=
hem to hold that huge pressure. Use sealant on all gaskets and in addition t=
he brake ring seal to each side of the case (ignore the passage in the works=
hop book that says no sealant there-just be careful when applying it). Hank
>>=20
>> -----------------------------------------
>>=20
>> From: jpaynepbr@cox.net
>> To: healeys@autox.team.net
>> Cc:=20
>> Sent: Saturday May 23 2020 5:36:24PM
>> Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive non return valve Question
>>=20
>>=20
>> So I pressure tested the OD at the operating valve plug =E2=80=93 370 PSI=
at 1,000 RPM in 4th. Drops to about 340 PSI when I attempt to engage the O=
D. OD did not engage.
>>=20
>> This is with the back end on jack stands (not the recalled ones!), so it i=
s under no load.
>>=20
>> Held 150 PSI for about 20 minutes after being shut off and then took abou=
t 2 hours to drop below 100 PSI. At least I now have a better understanding=
of why these things leak so badly. Who in their right mind would design so=
mething to hold that sort of residual oil pressure?
>>=20
>> Based on all the reading, pressure is too low, but nothing appears way of=
f?
>>=20
>> I=E2=80=99m using the Team.Net Tech site. http://www.team.net/www/heal=
ey/tech/big_hly/od/delborder_od.html
>>=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Next step is to check the non return valve spring.
>>=20
>> Question, why would I take it to a machinist to add .084=E2=80=9D to the=
head of the little plunger instead of just putting a washer on the back sid=
e of the head of the plunger?=20
>>=20
>> If the stem length/ insertion length into spring is that important, could=
n=E2=80=99t I could add length to that at home with my mig welder and file i=
t so that the spring moves freely and doesn=E2=80=99t hang up?=20
>>=20
>> =46rom the team.net site :
>>=20
>> psi, but for proper operation, the pressure should be at 470 to 490 psi.
>>=20
>> Now, finally... the OD low oil pressure cause and fix. A fatigued spring i=
n the non-return valve portion of the OD (see Fig. 6.19). What? Is that it? Y=
ou must be kidding - I waited two months for this? Yes, it does seem sort of=
anti-climactic, but this spring can cause major frustration. Springs are li=
ke people - as they age, they get shorter and weaker. As you can see in Fig.=
6.19, the spring pushes against a ball and plunger. The purpose of this spr=
ing is to allow the ball to lift from its seat at each power stroke of the O=
D pump, allowing oil to flow into the pressurized accumulating chamber,=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Remove the pump and take a close look with a=
loop at the check ball seat. You will find it is worn on one side. Pu=
rchase a 1/4=E2=80=9D ball reamer and make a new seat for the check ball. Al=
so remove the operating rod and do the same with a 5/16=E2=80=9D ball reamer=
. <br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>David Nock</div><div>British Car Specia=
lists</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite">On May 25, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Roger Grace <roggrace=
@telus.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<style> body {height: 100%; color:#000000; font-size=
:12pt; font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;}</style><div>My thinking was t=
hat pressure may be escaping past worn accumulator piston rings and housing n=
ot allowing full pressure to build up ... ?<br></div><div>rg<br></div><div><=
br data-mce-bogus=3D"1"></div><div>----- Original Message -----<br>From: Mic=
hael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com><br>To: Roger Grace <roggrace@=
telus.net><br>Cc: healeylist <healeys@autox.team.net><br>Sent: Mon,=
25 May 2020 06:04:41 -0600 (MDT)<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fwd: Re: Overdri=
ve non return valve Question<br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Sorry=
but suggesting a replacement accumulator has me confused. If the pres=
sure is staying up as described surely the accumulator is not leaking badly .=
.. what am I missing?<div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><div><br></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon., May 25, 202=
0, 12:10 a.m. Roger Grace, <<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; target=3D=
"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net";>roggrace@telus.net</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0=
.8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;" data-mce-style=3D"ma=
rgin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div=
><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>As you say you need need new a=
ccumulator piston/rings/sleeve and O-Rings.<br></div><div>This improved pres=
sure on mine from 340 psi with very slow engaging to over 550 psi. <br></div=
><div>Works fine now.<br></div><div>Suggest that you upgrade to the modern O=
ring style piston instead of the original metal ring style.<br></div><div>I=
f you were closer could let you have the extra new spring that I have, but C=
an border closed.<br></div><div>Overdrive Spares in UK are most helpful.<br>=
</div><div>Good luck ...<br></div><div>rg<br></div><div><br></div><div>-----=
Original Message -----<br>From: <a href=3D"mailto:jpaynepbr@cox.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:jpaynepbr@cox.net";>jp=
aynepbr@cox.net</a><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net"; target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net";>grad=
ea1@charter.net</a><br>Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>=
healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>Sent: Sun, 24 May 2020 20:21:52 -0600 (MDT)<br=
>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Overdrive non return valve Question<br></div><div><b=
r></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Shimmed the spring on the pump check val=
ve by .08=E2=80=9D. </p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Shope let me borrow an accumulator spring that was 3/64=E2=80=9D lo=
nger.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Up to over 4=
50+ psi now. OD will engage with the rear jacked up, but not while dri=
ving. On jack stands, when OD is engaged, drops to +/- 410 psi then qu=
ickly comes back up to 450+.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Did not change out accumulator piston/rings/sleeve or O-Rings ye=
t, was hoping to avoid that.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Thinking about trying a 1/16=E2=80=9D washer to shim the accumul=
ator spring or is it a lost cause? </p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p><div><div=
style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0=
in 0in;" data-mce-style=3D"border: none; border-top: solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt; pa=
dding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><a href=3D"mai=
lto:gradea1@charter.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-href=3D=
"mailto:gradea1@charter.net";>gradea1@charter.net</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:g=
radea1@charter.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-href=3D"ma=
ilto:gradea1@charter.net">gradea1@charter.net</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunda=
y, May 24, 2020 10:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> '<a href=3D"mailto:jpaynepbr@cox.net"=
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:jpaynepbr@cox.=
net">jpaynepbr@cox.net</a>' <<a href=3D"mailto:jpaynepbr@cox.net"; target=3D=
"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:jpaynepbr@cox.net";>jpayn=
epbr@cox.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> '<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox=
.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>' <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.t=
eam.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:healey=
s@autox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Hea=
leys] Overdrive non return valve Question</p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"> </p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;" data-m=
ce-style=3D"margin-bottom: 12.0pt;">OD Pressure should be much higher-could b=
e 600 PSI. As I previously stated, be sure that the ball in the operating va=
lve is the correct size- 1/4" OD in pump valve. The upper valve uses a 5/16"=
OD ball and you cannot mix them up, our your pressure will not be there. To=
o large or small a ball will not seat in the valve chamber. Also, if replaci=
ng with a new ball and spring, take a brass drift and "seat" the ball in its=
position. What is the condition of the piston rings and O rings...they must=
be up to the task as well for them to hold that huge pressure. Use sealant o=
n all gaskets and in addition the brake ring seal to each side of the case (=
ignore the passage in the workshop book that says no sealant there-just be c=
areful when applying it). Hank</p><p>---------------------------------------=
--</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">From: <a href=3D"mailto:jpaynepbr@cox.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:jpaynepbr@cox.net";>=
jpaynepbr@cox.net</a><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.n=
et">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>Cc: <br>Sent: Saturday May 23 2020 5:36:24=
PM<br>Subject: [Healeys] Overdrive non return valve Question<br></p><div><br=
></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:=
'Times New Roman',serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family:=
'Times New Roman',serif;">So I pressure tested the OD at the operating valv=
e plug =E2=80=93 370 PSI at 1,000 RPM in 4<sup>th</sup>. Drops t=
o about 340 PSI when I attempt to engage the OD. OD did not engage.</span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman',serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman',serif;">This is with the back end on jack stands (not the reca=
lled ones!), so it is under no load.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;" data-mce-s=
tyle=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Held 150 P=
SI for about 20 minutes after being shut off and then took about 2 hours to d=
rop below 100 PSI. At least I now have a better understanding of why t=
hese things leak so badly. Who in their right mind would design someth=
ing to hold that sort of residual oil pressure?</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;=
" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;=
">Based on all the reading, pressure is too low, but nothing appears way off=
?</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fa=
mily: 'Times New Roman',serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-fa=
mily: 'Times New Roman',serif;">I=E2=80=99m using the Team.Net Tech site.&nb=
sp; <a href=3D"http://www.team.net/www/healey/tech/big_hly/od/de=
lborder_od.html" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce-href=3D"http:=
//www.team.net/www/healey/tech/big_hly/od/delborder_od.html">http://www.team=
.net/www/healey/tech/big_hly/od/delborder_od.html</a></span><br></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Rom=
an',serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Rom=
an',serif;"> </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size=
: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Next step is to check the n=
on return valve spring. </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;" data-mce-style=3D"fon=
t-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> Question, why w=
ould I take it to a machinist to add .084=E2=80=9D to the head of the little=
plunger instead of just putting a washer on the back side of the head of th=
e plunger? </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size:=
12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">If the stem length/ insertio=
n length into spring is that important, couldn=E2=80=99t I could add length t=
o that at home with my mig welder and file it so that the spring moves freel=
y and doesn=E2=80=99t hang up? </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;" data-mce=
-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">=46rom t=
he <a href=3D"http://team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer" data-mce=
-href=3D"http://team.net";>team.net</a> site :</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;" d=
ata-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">p=
si, but for proper operation, the pressure should be at 470 to 490 psi.</spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: '=
Times New Roman',serif;" data-mce-style=3D"font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: '=
Times New Roman',serif;">Now, finally... the OD low oil pressure cause and f=
ix. A <span style=3D"text-decoration: underline;" data-mce-style=3D"text-dec=
oration: underline;">fatigued spring in the non-return valve portion of the O=
D</span> (see Fig. 6.19). What? Is that it? You must be kidding - I waited t=
wo months for this? Yes, it does seem sort of anti-climactic, but this sprin=
g can cause major frustration. Springs are like people - as they age, they g=
et shorter and weaker. As you can see in Fig. 6.19, the spring pushes agains=
t a ball and plunger. The purpose of this spring is to allow the ball to lif=
t from its seat at each power stroke of the OD pump, allowing oil to flow in=
to the pressurized accumulating chamber, </span><span style=3D"border: solid=
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