Re: [Healeys] FW: Master Switch

[Alex <alexmm@roadrunner.com>]

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*A few years ago I installed a marine-grade switch on my BT7. I bought 
it from West Marine. Fits nicely and works great!*

*== Alex in Maine*

*1960 BT7, 1946 MG-TC*


On 3/26/2020 8:48 AM, Robert Begani wrote:
>
> A Good analysis why the original Healey switch and replacements do not 
> work well.  May choose to keep the original in a box and buy a Hella, 
> or continue to do with out a switch and use a direct ground to the frame.
>
> Bob Begani
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of 
> *Michael Oritt
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:25 PM
> *To:* Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Austin Healey <healeys@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Master Switch
>
> For my money (and car) I opted for a high quality marine-grade shutoff 
> switch such as that made by Hella and others, sold on the Pegasus site.
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:31 PM Michael Salter 
>
>     My experience with the original Lucas Master switches has been a
>     little different.
>
>     Many years ago, after having a newly installed NOS switch fail on
>     my own car, I  discovered that it had failed because the ground
>     cable running from the switch to the frame was not
>     properly installed.
>
>     The full starter current must pass through the switch then through
>     the cable to ground. When there is resistance in that cable
>     current passes through THE SPRING to then ground through the body
>     of the switch and the switch mounting bracket.
>
>     This high current rapidly overheats the spring and it looses
>     tension ruining the switch.
>
>     I have disassembled several of these switches to stretch the
>     spring as suggested but often found that the brass of the spring
>     had been totally annealed as a result of being overheated because
>     of the current that had passed through them.
>
>     For my own car (and several others since)Â  I made a new spring
>     from copper coated steel welding wire wich lasted until I sold the
>     car many years later.
>
>     M
>
>     On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 9:00 AM John Spaur, <jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net
>
>         In my experience with the switches they overheat and the
>         spring collapses.
>
>         Good to know you have the rivets.
>
>         John
>
>         *From:* David Nock [mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:57 AM
>         *To:* John Spaur <jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net
>         *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Master Switch
>
>         The number one fault with both the original and the new switch
>         is the spring inside looses its tension and you then loose the
>         ground connection. We have sourced the correct rivets to
>         restore your original battery switch.
>
>         I have also had to take apart the new switches to make them
>         work correctly. Simply drill out the rivets. Stretch out the
>         new spring and install new rivets.
>
>         David Nock
>         209 948 8767
>         www.britishcarspecialists.com
>         <http://www.britishcarspecialists.com>
>
>         Help us have our Founder Norman Nock inducteed into the
>         British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for your favorites
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>
>         *From:*John Spaur
>
>         *Sent:*Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:53 PM
>
>         *To:*'Healeys'
>
>         *Subject:*Re: [Healeys] Master Switch
>
>         I have tried to post this to the list several times but it
>         keeps bouncing.
>
>         The internal part in the reproduction switches is plastic, not
>         Bakelite. If your engine is hard to start and you crank it too
>         long the plastic part melts and the switch is toast. I rebuilt
>         one recently with the proper Bakelite part. However, they are
>         not always interchangeable with the newer metal case because
>         the metal case is slightly smaller.
>
>         John
>
>         â??62 BT7
>
>         San Jose, CA
>
>         
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    <p><b>A few years ago I installed a marine-grade switch on my BT7. I
        bought it from West Marine. Fits nicely and works great!</b></p>
    <p><b>== Alex in Maine</b></p>
    <p><b>1960 BT7, 1946 MG-TC</b><br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/26/2020 8:48 AM, Robert Begani
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">A
            Good analysis why the original Healey switch and
            replacements do not work well.  May choose to keep the
            original in a box and buy a Hella, or continue to do with
            out a switch and use a direct ground to the 
frame.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bob
            Begani<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Healeys
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
 <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael
          Oritt<br>
          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:25 PM<br>
          <b>To:</b> Michael Salter <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";>&lt;michaelsalter@gmail.com&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Cc:</b> Austin Healey <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Master Switch<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#3333FF">For my
                money (and car) I opted for a high quality marine-grade
                shutoff switch such as that made by Hella and others,
                sold on the Pegasus site.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:31 PM Michael
              Salter &lt;<a href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";
                moz-do-not-send="true">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt;
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
            1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in
            6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">My experience with the original Lucas
                Master switches has been a little different. <o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                    style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Many years
                    ago, after</span>Â having a newly installed NOS
                  switch fail on my own car, I  discovered that it had
                  failed because the ground cable running from the
                  switch to the frame was not 
properly installed. <o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">The full starter current must pass
                  through the switch then through the cable to ground.
                  When there is resistance in that cable current passes
                  through THE SPRING to then ground through the body of
                  the switch and the switch mounting bracket.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">This high current rapidly overheats
                  the spring and it looses tension ruining the 
switch.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">I have disassembled several of
                  these switches to stretch the spring as suggested but
                  often found that the brass of the spring had been
                  totally annealed as a result of being overheated
                  because of the current that had passed through 
them.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">For my own car (and several others
                  since)Â  I made a new spring from copper coated steel
                  welding wire wich lasted until I sold the car many
                  years later. <o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
              </div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">M<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
            <div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 9:00 AM John
                  Spaur, &lt;<a href="mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net";
                    target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
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                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="color:#1F497D">In my experience with the
                        switches they overheat and the spring 
collapses.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="color:#1F497D">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="color:#1F497D">Good to know you have the
                        rivets.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="color:#1F497D">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="color:#1F497D">John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="color:#1F497D">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                          David Nock [mailto:<a
                            href="mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com";
                            target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeydoc@gmail.com</a>]
                          <br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:57 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> John Spaur &lt;<a
                            href="mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net";
                            target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net</a>&gt;;
                          'Healeys' &lt;<a
                            href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                            target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Master 
Switch<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Â <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">The number one
                              fault with both the original and the new
                              switch is the spring inside looses its
                              tension and you then loose the ground
                              connection. We have sourced the correct
                              rivets to restore your original battery
                              switch.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">I have also
                              had to take apart the new switches to make
                              them work correctly. Simply drill out the
                              rivets. Stretch out the new spring and
                              install new rivets.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Century&quot;,serif;color:black">David Nock<br>
                              <a href="mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net";
                                target="_blank" 
moz-do-not-send="true">healeydoc@sbcglobal.net</a><br>
                              209 948 8767<br>
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moz-do-not-send="true">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a><br>
                              <br>
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                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">
                                    John Spaur </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">
                                    Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:53 
PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">
                                    'Healeys' </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke;background-image:initial;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">
                                    Re: [Healeys] Master 
Switch</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                                style="color:black">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                              style="color:#1F497D">I have tried to post
                              this to the list several times but it
                              keeps bouncing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                              style="color:black">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                              style="color:#1F497D">The internal part in
                              the reproduction switches is plastic, not
                              Bakelite. If your engine is hard to start
                              and you crank it too long the plastic part
                              melts and the switch is toast. I rebuilt
                              one recently with the proper Bakelite
                              part. However, they are not always
                              interchangeable with the newer metal case
                              because the metal case is slightly
                              smaller.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                              style="color:black">Â </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                              style="color:#1F497D">John</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                              style="color:#1F497D">â??62 
BT7</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                              style="color:#1F497D">San Jose, 
CA</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div class="MsoNormal"
                            style="text-align:center" align="center"><span
                              style="color:black">
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