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Re: [Healeys] Master Switch

To: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Master Switch
From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:24:47 -0400
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For my money (and car) I opted for a high quality marine-grade shutoff
switch such as that made by Hella and others, sold on the Pegasus site.

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:31 PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
wrote:

> My experience with the original Lucas Master switches has been a little
> different.
> Many years ago, after having a newly installed NOS switch fail on my own
> car, I  discovered that it had failed because the ground cable running fr=
om
> the switch to the frame was not properly installed.
> The full starter current must pass through the switch then through the
> cable to ground. When there is resistance in that cable current passes
> through THE SPRING to then ground through the body of the switch and the
> switch mounting bracket.
> This high current rapidly overheats the spring and it looses tension
> ruining the switch.
> I have disassembled several of these switches to stretch the spring as
> suggested but often found that the brass of the spring had been totally
> annealed as a result of being overheated because of the current that had
> passed through them.
> For my own car (and several others since)  I made a new spring from coppe=
r
> coated steel welding wire wich lasted until I sold the car many years
> later.
>
> M
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 9:00 AM John Spaur, <jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> In my experience with the switches they overheat and the spring collapse=
s.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good to know you have the rivets.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* David Nock [mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:57 AM
>> *To:* John Spaur <jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net>; 'Healeys' <
>> healeys@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Master Switch
>>
>>
>>
>> The number one fault with both the original and the new switch is the
>> spring inside looses its tension and you then loose the ground connectio=
n.
>> We have sourced the correct rivets to restore your original battery swit=
ch.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have also had to take apart the new switches to make them work
>> correctly. Simply drill out the rivets. Stretch out the new spring and
>> install new rivets.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David Nock
>> healeydoc@sbcglobal.net
>> 209 948 8767
>> www.britishcarspecialists.com
>>
>> Help us have our Founder Norman Nock inducteed into the
>> British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for your favorites
>> by visiting the site at.
>> www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org
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>>
>>
>> *From:* John Spaur
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:53 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'Healeys'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Master Switch
>>
>>
>>
>> I have tried to post this to the list several times but it keeps bouncin=
g.
>>
>>
>>
>> The internal part in the reproduction switches is plastic, not Bakelite.
>> If your engine is hard to start and you crank it too long the plastic pa=
rt
>> melts and the switch is toast. I rebuilt one recently with the proper
>> Bakelite part. However, they are not always interchangeable with the new=
er
>> metal case because the metal case is slightly smaller.
>>
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> =E2=80=9962 BT7
>>
>> San Jose, CA
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">For m=
y money (and car) I opted for a high quality marine-grade shutoff switch su=
ch as that made by Hella and others, sold on the Pegasus site.</div></div><=
br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed,=
 Mar 25, 2020 at 4:31 PM Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter=
@gmail.com">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;=
border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex=
"><div dir=3D"auto">My experience with the original Lucas Master switches h=
as been a little different.=C2=A0<br><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-=
family:sans-serif">Many</span><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif">=C2=A0=
years ago, after</span>=C2=A0having a newly installed NOS switch fail on my=
 own car,=C2=A0I=C2=A0 discovered that it had failed because the ground cab=
le running from the switch to the frame was not properly=C2=A0installed.=C2=
=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">The full starter current must pass through the s=
witch then through the cable to ground. When there is resistance in that ca=
ble current passes through THE SPRING to then ground through the body of th=
e switch and the switch mounting bracket.</div><div dir=3D"auto">This high =
current rapidly overheats the spring and it looses tension ruining the swit=
ch.</div><div dir=3D"auto">I have disassembled several of these switches to=
 stretch the spring as suggested but often found that the brass of the spri=
ng had been totally annealed as a result of being overheated because of the=
 current that had passed through them.</div><div dir=3D"auto">For my own ca=
r (and several others since)=C2=A0 I made a new spring from copper coated s=
teel welding wire wich lasted until I sold the car many years later.=C2=A0<=
/div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Mar 26, 2=
020, 9:00 AM John Spaur, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px=
;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1e=
x"><div lang=3D"EN-US"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">In my experience=
 with the switches they overheat and the spring collapses.<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Ca=
libri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-se=
rif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Good to know you have the rivets.<u></u><u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:C=
alibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-s=
erif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">John<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(=
31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-style:=
solid none none;border-right-width:initial;border-bottom-width:initial;bord=
er-left-width:initial;border-right-color:initial;border-bottom-color:initia=
l;border-left-color:initial;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);border-top-wi=
dth:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-=
size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> David Nock [mailto:<a href=3D=
"mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeydoc=
@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:57 AM<br><b>To=
:</b> John Spaur &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net"; rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">jmsdarch@sbcglobal.net</a>&gt;; &#39;Healeys&#39; =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"=
_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Mas=
ter Switch<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></=
u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:Century,serif;color:black">The number one fault with both the orig=
inal and the new switch is the spring inside looses its tension and you the=
n loose the ground connection. We have sourced the correct rivets to restor=
e your original battery switch.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Century,serif;color:black">=C2=A0=
<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family:Century,serif;color:black">I have also had to take apart the new=
 switches to make them work correctly. Simply drill out the rivets. Stretch=
 out the new spring and install new rivets.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Century,serif;color:b=
lack">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-family:Century,serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Century,=
serif;color:black">David Nock<br><a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeydoc@sbcglobal.net</a><br>209 94=
8 8767<br><a href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com"; rel=3D"noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a><br><br>Help us have =
our Founder Norman Nock inducteed into the <br>British Sportscar Hall of Fa=
me, You can vote for your favorites <br>by visiting the site at.<br><a href=
=3D"http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D=
"_blank">www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></d=
iv><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font=
-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div=
><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;backgro=
und-color:whitesmoke;background-size:initial;background-origin:initial;back=
ground-clip:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">=
<b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black"=
>From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-seri=
f;color:black"> John Spaur <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-color:whitesmoke;ba=
ckground-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;bac=
kground-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><b><span style=3D"font-=
size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black"> Tuesday=
, March 24, 2020 9:53 PM<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal" style=3D"background-image:initial;background-color:whitesmoke;backg=
round-size:initial;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;backgr=
ound-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><b><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black"> &#39;Healeys=
&#39; <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"b=
ackground-image:initial;background-color:whitesmoke;background-size:initial=
;background-origin:initial;background-clip:initial;background-position:init=
ial;background-repeat:initial"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family=
:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size=
:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:black"> Re: [Healeys] Master Swit=
ch<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">=C2=A0<u></u><u></=
u></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I have tried t=
o post this to the list several times but it keeps bouncing.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span><=
span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73=
,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The internal=
 part in the reproduction switches is plastic, not Bakelite. If your engine=
 is hard to start and you crank it too long the plastic part melts and the =
switch is toast. I rebuilt one recently with the proper Bakelite part. Howe=
ver, they are not always interchangeable with the newer metal case because =
the metal case is slightly smaller.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:1=
1pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Cal=
ibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">John<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif=
;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=E2=80=9962 BT7<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;col=
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