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To some degree, the high-dollar auctions reflect the Healey market in
general. I've taken on the duties of "Auction Reporter" for *Healey Marque
*and, as a result, am following the auctions way more than before. The
big-time auctions need lots of product to move over the stand in a
three-day auction, so although the high-end cars get most of the publicity,
there are a lot of mid-range cars up for sale, too. And the same factors
that affect the expensive stuff influences the Healey market as well. Fear
of recession, aging of the core group of hobbyists, younger folks not
caring about the 50s-70s stuff, etc. For example, while at Mecum Monterey
I saw this rather nice Phase 1 BJ8 bid up to $35,000 and stop dead:
https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0819-380928/1964-austin-healey-3000-mkiii-bj8-=
convertible/
That's certainly way below what that car would've sold for a few years ago
and if you take the time to search "Austin-Healey" at all the Monterey
auction houses, you'll see similar no-sales across the board. Obviously,
auctions don't tell the whole tale of Healey sales, but the price guides
and auction sale prices heavily influence what people expect to get or pay
in a private sale.
Just my take,
Rick Neville
On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 10:02 AM Keith Pennell <llennep@verizon.net> wrote:
> Are the results of these "high dollar" auctions applicable to our meager
> (by comparison) cars? I dont know the answer to that but I sort of doubt
> it since we are only opperating in the five figure segment and mostly on
> the lower end of that. When the auctions include cars of our ilk as a fe=
w
> recently posted have referenced then it gets my attention.
>
> Just wondering
> Keith
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HealeyRick <healeyrik@gmail.com>
> To: Perry <healeyguy@aol.com>
> Cc: healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2019 7:36 pm
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] [OT] Collector Car 'Hobby'
>
> I always thought "bespoke" was more in keeping with a visit to a Saville
> Row tailor, not an automobile. But either way, each is out of my league.
> Here's another take on the Monterey auctions:
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidun.../#7aba6b1b692b
> <https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidundercoffler/2019/08/21/classic-car-ma=
rket-hits-a-pothole-at-2019-monterey-car-week/#7aba6b1b692b>
> Looks like a hard rain is goin' to fall.
>
> Rick Neville
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 11:58 AM Perry via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.ne=
t>
> wrote:
>
> Listers
> If nothing else, that article helped me understand a new word that has
> been creeping into the TV shows (car stuff) and print info lately, BESPOK=
E
> is the word.
>
> One TV show used it over and over and by the rest of the dialog used, I
> had no idea what they were talking about. At first I thought they were
> referencing the 24 inch wheels they were using on the build. But they
> didn=E2=80=99t look anything like a set of spoked wire wheels from Dunlap=
.
>
> I read the referenced article which talked about bespoked projectiles,
> scratched my head and said to my lovely wife, =E2=80=9CWhat in the world =
does
> BESPOKE mean?=E2=80=9D
>
> With a slight smile on those lips, said, CUSTOM or Built for the buyer!!!
>
> Oh, is the word custom to old school or outdated for the =E2=80=9Ccar guy=
s and
> gals=E2=80=9D today? Maybe for million dollar supercars.
>
> Not that I=E2=80=99m not interested in learning new words, I mean knowing=
what the
> advertised heart medicine is talking about, an ACE or an R, may have some
> bearing on my future existence! =F0=9F=98=8A
>
> Hope everyone is having a great day. I have to spend some time in the
> garage to work on my brother in laws BESPOKED 100-Six. Fitting a quick
> change rear axle to the beast.
> Perry
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> > On Aug 23, 2019, at 09:32, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Possibly of interest to The List (valid this week only):
> http://www.autoextremist.com/
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">To some degree, the high-dollar auctions reflect the Heale=
y market in general.=C2=A0 I've taken on the duties of "Auction Re=
porter" for <i>Healey Marque </i>and, as a result, am following the au=
ctions way more than before.=C2=A0 The big-time auctions need lots of produ=
ct to move over the stand in a three-day auction, so although the high-end =
cars get most of the publicity, there are a lot of mid-range cars up for sa=
le, too.=C2=A0 And the same factors that affect the expensive stuff influen=
ces the Healey market as well.=C2=A0 Fear of recession, aging of the core g=
roup of hobbyists, younger folks not caring about the 50s-70s stuff, etc.=
=C2=A0 For example, while at Mecum Monterey I saw this rather nice Phase 1 =
BJ8 bid up to $35,000 and stop dead:=C2=A0=C2=A0
<a href=3D"https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0819-380928/1964-austin-healey-3000=
-mkiii-bj8-convertible/">https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0819-380928/1964-aust=
in-healey-3000-mkiii-bj8-convertible/</a>=C2=A0 That's certainly way be=
low what that car would've sold for a few years ago and if you take the=
time to search "Austin-Healey" at all the Monterey auction house=
s, you'll see similar no-sales across the board.=C2=A0 Obviously, aucti=
ons don't tell the whole tale of Healey sales, but the price guides and=
auction sale prices heavily influence what people expect to get or pay in =
a private sale.=C2=A0=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Just my take,</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Rick Neville</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 10:02 AM Keith Pennel=
l <<a href=3D"mailto:llennep@verizon.net";>llennep@verizon.net</a>> wr=
ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial">
<div>Are the results of these "high dollar" auctions applicable t=
o our meager (by comparison) cars?=C2=A0 I dont know the answer to that but=
I sort of doubt it since we are only opperating in the five figure segment=
and mostly on the lower end of that.=C2=A0 When the auctions include cars =
of our ilk as a few recently posted have referenced then it gets my attenti=
on.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Just wondering</div>
<div>Keith</div>
<br>
<br>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----=
Original Message-----<br>
From: HealeyRick <<a href=3D"mailto:healeyrik@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blan=
k">healeyrik@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Perry <<a href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">healey=
guy@aol.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@aut=
ox.team.net</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bl=
ank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br>
Sent: Fri, Aug 23, 2019 7:36 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] [OT] Collector Car 'Hobby'<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I always thought "bespoke" was more in keeping w=
ith a visit to a Saville Row tailor, not an automobile.=C2=A0 But either wa=
y, each is out of my league.=C2=A0 Here's another take on the Monterey =
auctions:=C2=A0<a style=3D"color:rgb(18,84,120);outline:0px;font-family:Ver=
dana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color=
:rgb(250,250,250)" href=3D"https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidundercoffler/2=
019/08/21/classic-car-market-hits-a-pothole-at-2019-monterey-car-week/#7aba=
6b1b692b" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.forbes.=
com/sites/davidun.../#7aba6b1b692b</a>=C2=A0 Looks like a hard rain is goin=
' to fall.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Rick Neville</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790gmail_attr" dir=3D"l=
tr">On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 11:58 AM Perry via Healeys <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:healeys@autox.team.net" rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">hea=
leys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
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style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex">
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60369WordSection1">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal">Listers</=
div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal">If nothin=
g else, that article helped me understand a new word that has been creeping=
into the TV shows (car stuff) and print info lately, BESPOKE is the word. =
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal">One TV sh=
ow used it over and over and by the rest of the dialog used, I had no idea =
what they were talking about. At first I thought they were referencing the =
24 inch wheels they were using on the build. But they didn=E2=80=99t look a=
nything like a set of spoked wire wheels from Dunlap. </div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal">I read th=
e referenced article which talked about bespoked projectiles, scratched my =
head and said to my lovely wife, =E2=80=9CWhat in the world does BESPOKE me=
an?=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 </div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal">With a sl=
ight smile on those lips, said, CUSTOM or Built for the buyer!!!</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal">Oh, is th=
e word custom to old school or outdated for the =E2=80=9Ccar guys and gals=
=E2=80=9D today? Maybe for million dollar supercars.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal">Not that =
I=E2=80=99m not interested in learning new words, I mean knowing what the a=
dvertised heart medicine is talking about, an ACE or an R, may have some be=
aring on my future existence!=C2=A0 <span style=3D"font-family:"UI san=
s-serif"">=F0=9F=98=8A</span></div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal">Hope ever=
yone is having a great day.=C2=A0 I have to spend some time in the garage t=
o work on my brother in laws BESPOKED 100-Six.=C2=A0 Fitting a quick change=
rear axle to the beast. </div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal">Perry</di=
v>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></div>
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-1212256394678922860yiv7653627790MsoNormal">Sent from=
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ug 23, 2019, at 09:32, Bob Spidell <<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.n=
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