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This morning I got under the car and shortened the brake actuating rod's
length by spinning the nut two full turns. Though this probably does not
amount to much more than 1/16" I think that is all it will take, assuming
the issue was that the fluid return hole was being partially or fully
blocked by the seal/piston when things heated up and tolerances tightened
down. We'll see--unfortunately I will not be able to take the car for an
extended drive until tomorrow ore Sunday.
Thanks to all for their input.
Best--Michael Oritt
On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 9:51 PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
wrote:
> During this evening's rides to and from a nearby destination the brakes
> felt fine and pedal travel was normal--naturally!
> I hope to get under the car tomorrow.
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 5:33 PM Perry <healeyguy@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> High pedal, meaning that the brake pedal does not travel downward when
>> applying foot pressure, is indicative of wheel cylinders or caliper pist=
ons
>> not moving in their bore. The fluid in the master cylinder has less spa=
ce
>> to travel to and therefore remains high. Since there is more heat coming
>> off the front brakes a suspect the problem is in that (front brakes) are=
a.
>> I suppose if there was a blockage in the master it could act the same wa=
y
>> but don=E2=80=99t remember that ever happen to me previously.
>>
>> But I=E2=80=99ve been wrong before=E2=80=A6..
>>
>> Perry
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 25, 2019 5:10 PM
>> *To: *Randall Hicks <healey100m@me.com>; Austin Healey
>> <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Brake issue
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm going for a short ride in a little while to a destination nearby and
>> I will carefully observe if the pedal gets high and hard and if the brak=
es
>> drag, etc.
>>
>>
>> If there is a collapsed line the condition should appear relatively
>> quickly don't you think? OTOH if it does not appear before the car heat=
s
>> up that might be significant.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am sometimes a sucker for easy solutions....
>>
>>
>>
>> Best--Michael Oritt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 4:33 PM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> NEWSFLASH:
>>
>> After letting the car sit for a few hours I just checked the pedal and i=
t
>> has gone back to normal with an inch or two of motion, same as it was
>> before i started out this morning's drive.
>>
>> At the same time i adjusted the pushrod length a few months back I also
>> removed some exhaust heat-shielding and have not yet gotten around to
>> replacing it. Given the high ambient temperatures I wonder if heat is
>> getting to the MC, causing the brakes to somehow stay partially or fully
>> activated?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best--Michael Oritt
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 4:29 PM Randall Hicks <healey100m@me.com> wrote:
>>
>> Swollen (inside) brake hose not releasing fluid???
>>
>>
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nope--Dot 3/4.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 3:27 PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Silicone fluid?
>>
>>
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 2:36 PM Michael Oritt, <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> During a drive today I noticed that the brake pedal is higher and harder
>> than normal and as I come to a stop it definitely feels as though the
>> brakes are dragging, plus there seemed to be a lot of heat coming from t=
he
>> front brakes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect a problem with the master cylinder but would appreciate any
>> suggestions as to what the issue and fix might be.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best--Michael Oritt
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><span=
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Gene=
va,sans-serif;font-size:13px">This morning I got under the car and shortene=
d the brake actuating rod's length by spinning the nut two full turns.=
=C2=A0 Though this probably does not amount to much more than 1/16" I =
think that is all it will take, assuming the issue was that the fluid retur=
n hole was being partially or fully blocked by the seal/piston when things =
heated up and tolerances tightened down.=C2=A0 We'll see--unfortunately=
I will not be able to take the car for an extended drive until tomorrow or=
e Sunday.</span><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,=
Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style=3D"color:rgb(34,=
34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size=
:13px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,=
Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thanks to all for their input.</s=
pan><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><span st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,=
sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"color:#3333ff"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Verdan=
a,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Best--Michael Orit=
t</span></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 9:51 PM Michael Oritt <<a href=
=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com";>michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><span style=3D=
"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px">During this evening's rides to and from a nearby d=
estination the brakes felt fine and pedal travel was normal--naturally!=C2=
=A0=C2=A0</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51=
,255)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,=
Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I hope to get under the car tomor=
row.</span><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,=
255)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,C=
alibri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,3=
4);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x">Best--Michael Oritt</span></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 5:33 PM Perry &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">healeyguy@aol.com<=
/a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
div lang=3D"EN-US"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-1539017095988671666gmail-m_420239=
0969920220988WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">High pedal, meaning that =
the brake pedal does not travel downward when applying foot pressure, is in=
dicative of wheel cylinders or caliper pistons not moving in their bore.=C2=
=A0 The fluid in the master cylinder has less space to travel to and theref=
ore remains high. Since there is more heat coming off the front brakes a su=
spect the problem is in that (front brakes) area. I suppose if there was a =
blockage in the master it could act the same way but don=E2=80=99t remember=
that ever happen to me previously. </p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">But I=E2=80=
=99ve been wrong before=E2=80=A6..</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Perry</p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from =
<a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u><=
/p><div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;bord=
er-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a href=3D"mailto:michael=
.oritt@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">Michael Oritt</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Thurs=
day, July 25, 2019 5:10 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healey100m@me.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">Randall Hicks</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.tea=
m.net" target=3D"_blank">Austin Healey</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys]=
Brake issue</p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdan=
a,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">I'm going for a short ride in a littl=
e while to a destination nearby and I will carefully observe if the pedal g=
ets high and hard and if the brakes drag, etc.</span><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(51,51,255)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34=
,34)"><br>If there is a collapsed line the condition should appear relative=
ly quickly don't you think?=C2=A0 OTOH if it does not appear before the=
car heats up that might be significant.=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(51,51,255)"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34=
,34)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-=
family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">I am sometimes a sucker for =
easy solutions....</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><u></u><u></u=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,5=
1,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,=
34)">Best--Michael Oritt</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"><u></u>=
<u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 4:33 PM Michael =
Oritt <<a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">mich=
ael.oritt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top=
:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,20=
4,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">NEWSFLASH:<br=
><br>After letting the car sit for a few hours I just checked the pedal and=
it has gone back to normal with an inch or two of motion, same as it was b=
efore i started out this morning's drive.<br><br>At the same time i adj=
usted the pushrod length a few months back I also removed some exhaust heat=
-shielding and have not yet gotten around to replacing it.=C2=A0 Given the =
high ambient temperatures I wonder if heat is getting to the MC, causing th=
e brakes to somehow stay partially or fully activated?=C2=A0 =C2=A0<u></u><=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb=
(51,51,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">Best--Michael Oritt<u></u><u></u></=
span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 4:29 PM Randall Hicks <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:healey100m@me.com"; target=3D"_blank">healey100m@me.com</=
a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:no=
ne;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0i=
n 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">S=
wollen (inside) brake hose not releasing fluid???</p><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Randy</p><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div id=3D"gmail-m_-15390=
17095988671666gmail-m_4202390969920220988gmail-m_-5968309692687112733gmail-=
m_8043499434626532399AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from m=
y iPhone</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">=
<br>On Jul 25, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Michael Oritt <<a href=3D"mailto:michae=
l.oritt@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:=
<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5=
pt"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,25=
5)">Nope--Dot 3/4.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 25,=
2019 at 3:27 PM Michael Salter <<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><bloc=
kquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border=
-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;=
margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Silicone fluid?</p><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>M</p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 2:36 PM Michael Oritt, <<a =
href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">michael.oritt@gma=
il.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-=
right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">During a drive today I not=
iced that the brake pedal is higher and harder than normal and as I come to=
a stop it definitely feels as though the brakes are dragging, plus there s=
eemed to be a lot of heat coming from the front brakes.<u></u><u></u></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">I suspect a problem with the master cylinder bu=
t would appreciate any suggestions as to what the issue and fix might be.<u=
></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"col=
or:rgb(51,51,255)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">Best--Michael Oritt<u></u><u>=
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