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Re: [Healeys] Fuel pumps (AGAIN!)

To: Reinhart Rosner <reinhart.rosner@aon.at>, healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Fuel pumps (AGAIN!)
From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 19:40:48 +0100
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50% humidity should be all it needs for storing. Perfect. However I 
would first inspect, clean and adjust the points before storing the 
spare pump (with some acid free paper between the points). Depending on 
how often you drive the car, not so much the distance, I would inspect 
and if needed clean the points once every year on the fitted pump and 
check the spare pump for working. I must confess that I have never 
checked the pump since I fitted it after I serviced it (cleaning the 
points and fitting a transil was all it needed) years ago. I also carry 
a spare in the boot but it is not really needed as the pump is easily 
accessible next to the petrol tank in the boot and can be serviced 
within minutes.

Rebuild pumps are relatively cheap at between â?¬80 and â?¬120. Used pumps 
can be found for less than â?¬10 but usually need a service or rebuild, 
and if you are lucky only a clean, polish and adjustment of the points. 
The old diaphragms are near indestructible and only need loosening and a 
bit of talcum powder in between the three layers. They are much better 
than later single layer replacements.

Kees Oudesluijs



Op 30-11-2018 om 11:42 schreef Reinhart Rosner:
>
> Kees,
>
> You tell us that â?? failures are .. often due to .. the people, owners 
> or mechanics, who maintain the cars (and thus pumps).â??
>
> Well I am one of those.
>
> I bought my 100 in 1998 and the only problems that occurred with the 
> fuel pump were when the car still was in the hands of the past owner. 
> It just didnâ??t start when I inspected the car for the first time. So 
> we postponed the buying, he got the problem sorted out and I didnâ??t 
> have further problems with the pump itself. Some days ago there was a 
> problem with the connection of the electric wire outside the pump, 
> which just had to be screwed on again â?? so this was solved.
>
> Now I got the pump in the car and an extra one that was used already 
> and that I bought rather cheap. The Healey gets driven app. 2.500 km 
> per year. Car and extra pump are stored in a garage kept at 50 % 
> humidity. Apart from cleaning the points and putting acid free paper 
> in on the spare pump, what are your suggestions on service and storage 
> of the pump in the car and the spare?
>
> Reinhart
>
> Reinhart Rosner
>
> 55 100 BN 1
>
> Vienna â?? Austria
>
> *Von:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *Im Auftrag von 
> *Kees Oudesluijs
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 29. November 2018 23:05
> *An:* Al Fuller; healeys@autox.team.net
> *Betreff:* Re: [Healeys] Fuel pumps (AGAIN!)
>
> Al,
>
> All I wanted to say is that some of the listers have been unfortunate 
> with the SU-pump while most others do not have the problems these 
> listers have encountered. There is no doubt that they had the 
> problems. I may not have used the proper wording as English is not my 
> native tongue.
>
> In my opinion the failures are not often due to the pumps themselves 
> but to the people, owners or mechanics, who maintain the cars (and 
> thus pumps). Most of the pumps I have dismantled show this. Nearly all 
> failed pumps I get in are in very good condition but for the 
> adjustment or corrosion of the points due to lack of knowledge of the 
> pump, use and maintenance or improper storage. Most are not aware that 
> the pumps should be serviced once in a while and do not know how to go 
> about it. Wacking the pump repeatedly and not servicing the pump first 
> thing when this happens shows that.
>
> Other rare but unfortunate failures are a burned coil or leaking 
> valves through trapped dirt. As another lister suggested other factors 
> like fuel blockage may play a role as well.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>

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    <p>50% humidity should be all it needs for storing. Perfect. However
      I would first inspect, clean and adjust the points before storing
      the spare pump (with some acid free paper between the points).
      Depending on how often you drive the car, not so much the
      distance, I would inspect and if needed clean the points once
      every year on the fitted pump and check the spare pump for
      working. I must confess that I have never checked the pump since I
      fitted it after I serviced it (cleaning the points and fitting a
      transil was all it needed) years ago. I also carry a spare in the
      boot but it is not really needed as the pump is easily accessible
      next to the petrol tank in the boot and can be serviced within
      minutes. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Rebuild pumps are relatively cheap at between â?¬80 and â?¬120. Used
      pumps can be found for less than â?¬10 but usually need a service or
      rebuild, and if you are lucky only a clean, polish and adjustment
      of the points. The old diaphragms are near indestructible and only
      need loosening and a bit of talcum powder in between the three
      layers. They are much better than later single layer replacements.</p>
    <p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 30-11-2018 om 11:42 schreef Reinhart
      Rosner:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">You tell us that â?? failures are .. often due to
            .. the people, owners or mechanics, who maintain the cars
            (and thus pumps).â??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">Well I am one of those.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">I bought my 100 in 1998 and the only problems
            that occurred with the fuel pump were when the car still was
            in the hands of the past owner. It just didnâ??t start when I
            inspected the car for the first time. So we postponed the
            buying, he got the problem sorted out and I didnâ??t have
            further problems with the pump itself. Some days ago there
            was a problem with the connection of the electric wire
            outside the pump, which just had to be screwed on again â?? so
            this was solved.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
            lang="EN-GB">Now I got the pump in the car and an extra one
            that was used already and that I bought rather cheap. The
            Healey gets driven app. 2.500 km per year. Car and extra
            pump are stored in a garage kept at 50 % humidity. Apart
            from cleaning the points and putting acid free paper in on
            the spare pump, what are your suggestions on service and
            storage of the pump in the car and the spare?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Reinhart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Reinhart
            Rosner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">55
            100 BN 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Vienna
            â?? Austria<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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                  lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:windowtext"
                lang="DE"> Healeys
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
 <b>Im Auftrag
                  von </b>Kees Oudesluijs<br>
                <b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 29. November 2018 23:05<br>
                <b>An:</b> Al Fuller; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" 
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
                <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Healeys] Fuel pumps 
(AGAIN!)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>Al,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>All I wanted to say is that some of the listers have been
          unfortunate with the SU-pump while most others do not have the
          problems these listers have encountered. There is no doubt
          that they had the problems. I may not have used the proper
          wording as English is not my native tongue.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>In my opinion the failures are not often due to the pumps
          themselves but to the people, owners or mechanics, who
          maintain the cars (and thus pumps). Most of the pumps I have
          dismantled show this. Nearly all failed pumps I get in are in
          very good condition but for the adjustment or corrosion of the
          points due to lack of knowledge of the pump, use and
          maintenance or improper storage. Most are not aware that the
          pumps should be serviced once in a while and do not know how
          to go about it. Wacking the pump repeatedly and not servicing
          the pump first thing when this happens shows that.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Other rare but unfortunate failures are a burned coil or
          leaking valves through trapped dirt. As another lister
          suggested other factors like fuel blockage may play a role as
          well. <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>Kees Oudesluijs<o:p></o:p></p>
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