Thanks for confirming my observations about lower mpg with ethanol. Big
agricultural biz love it.
Ira Erbs
Portland, OR
typos and artifacts are the fault of my phone
On Wed, May 30, 2018, 3:34 PM <jpaynepbr at cox.net> wrote:
> I make and have made a weekly trip from Las Vegas, NV to Kingman AZ for 5
> years and running in a variety of vehicles (2 different Ford Expeditions,
> Chevy SS, Toyota Tacoma pickup, Triumph TR6, Dodge Magnum Wagon) racking up
> somewhere over 150k miles on this trip alone.
>
> NV uses CA's ethanol fuel at 10 to 15 percent. AZ does not have any
> ethanol.
>
> I fill up here for the trip out, and I fill up there for the trip home. I
> see a difference of between 10 and almost 20 percent in fuel economy,
> without fail, it is not a negligible difference.
>
> In addition to being less efficient, the Ethanol fuel is more expensive.
>
> What a boondoggle.
>
> Jonas Payne
> PBR Consulting Services, LLC
> 702.882.6711
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Kees
> Oudesluijs
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 8:40 AM
> To: healeys at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
>
> The better mileage on pure petrol is only theoretical. In practice you
> will not notice at all. Ethanol has a lower energy content so you would
> require more ethanol than petrol for a given amount of energy. However
> there is only 5% maximum in petrol unless stated otherwise in Europe and a
> small bit of 5% is negligible and well within the tolerance of the accuracy
> of the measurement. I very much doubt if one can register an increase of 1%
> in mileage. There are so many other factors influencing mileage.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
>
>
> Op 30-5-2018 om 12:55 schreef simon.lachlan at alexarevel.plus.com:
> > The Ethanol rules are different here in the UK. Probably dreamed up by
> some booby in Brussels, passed into law and we're the only country
> enforcing it.
> > As to the practicalities.......I'm not sure about my current setup
> (Webers) but previously (3 HD6s), I was pretty sure that I got more mileage
> for my money on high(er) octane. More bangs for my buck/better value for
> money..whatever.
> > Simon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
> > Haskell
> > Sent: 30 May 2018 11:00
> > To: John Rowe <john at jtkarowe.com.au>
> > Cc: 'Healey List' <healeys at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
> >
> > One can still buy non-ethanol fuel at the pump here in the States;
> Countrymark is one company that sells premium with zero ethanol. One can't
> always tell if there's ethanol in the gasoline by looking at the pump.
> Apparently, it's up to the individual state to decide if a label on the
> pump is required. I don't think that it's required in Indiana.
> >
> > A couple of reasons for ethanol: reduces amount of oil used/imported and
> another market for corn. Not sure I agree with using a foodstuff, but
> that's what's been done.
> >
> > The other issue I've wondered about, but haven't looked into, is the
> price differential between grades of gasoline. For years the mid grade was
> 10 cents a gallon more than regular and premium was another 10 cents. In
> the last couple of years it's changed to 25 to 30 cents between grades.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bob Haskell
> > AHCA 3000 MkI registrar
> > http://www.ciahc.org/registry_3000mk1.php
> >
> > On 05/29/2018 10:04 PM, John Rowe wrote:
> >> OK, thanks Mike. We have it in Oz, and the greenies here are trying
> >> to make it mandatory I believe. We can buy 91/95/98 unleaded at the
> pump.
> >> For 98 we pay about $1.70/litre.
> >>
> >> At 2c/litre discount for E10 from 91 octane (which won?t run
> >> Healeys), why would you bother buying it due to the decreased mpg.
> >>
> >> John Rowe Qld Australia
> >>
> >> *From:*Michael MacLean [mailto:rrengineer.mike at att.net]
> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 May 2018 10:26 AM
> >> *To:* john at jtkarowe.com.au; tld6008 at mchsi.com
> >> *Cc:* 'Healey List'
> >> *Subject:* RE: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
> >>
> >> Fuel at the pump is 10% ethanol by law. Right now gasoline is going
> >> for an average of $3.75 to $4 US per gallon. If you want fuel
> >> without ethanol you can buy high octane racing gas, but it's $10 per
> >> gallon and it is supposed to be illegal in street vehicles.
> >>
> >> Mike M
> >>
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> >> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 4:43 PM, John Rowe
> >>
> >> <john at jtkarowe.com.au> wrote:
> >>
> >> As an Australian, I ask ?why do you use ethanol in these
> vehicles??,
> >> or don?t you have a say as to what you use in your countries.
> >>
> >> John Rowe
> >>
> >> Qld Australia
> >>
> >> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf
> Of
> >> *Michael MacLean
> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 30 May 2018 5:55 AM
> >> *To:* tld6008 at mchsi.com
> >> *Cc:* Healey List
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
> >>
> >> Don't do it. It will fill with gas in about two years and you will
> >> be doing this again. All you have to do is buy a brass float and
> >> swap it out for the plastic one and sleep well at night. It just
> >> snaps right in. The brass float is a Ford part no. COAZ-9202-B. You
> >> can find them on eBay, Amazon, Summit Racing and even the Ford
> >> dealer. Ethanol does not eat brass.
> >>
> >> Mike M.
> >>
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> >> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 12:46 PM, Tim Davis BN7
> >>
> >> <tld6008 at mchsi.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I had the powdery residue all over mine. I just bought a new
> one
> >> from Moss it has a plastic float. Hopefully it will hold up.
> >>
> >>
> >> Tim Davis BN7
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike at att.net>
> >> To: Healey List <healeys at autox.team.net>
> >> Sent: Tue, 29 May 2018 11:29:39 -0400 (EDT)
> >> Subject: [Healeys] Effects of Ethanol
> >>
> >> This past weekend I removed the tank to extract the sending
> unit
> >> on my Bugeye because of a constant reading of empty on the
> >> gauge. As suspected, the plastic float was filled with
> >> gasoline. Ethanol! While replacing the plastic float for
> brass
> >> and the cork gaskets for Viton type gaskets, I also swapped out
> >> the sending unit top cover cork gasket with a Viton type using
> >> Hylomar AF to seal things up. The big surprise came when I
> >> found the rheostat cavity full of gasoline. Must have entered
> >> through the hole in the sending unit body for the float lever.
> >> Anyone have experience with this? Should I be concerned? I
> >> remember the original sending unit I removed form the Bugeye
> >> tank was full of a white powdery residue around the rheostat
> >> like it had also been filled with gasoline. Anyone have
> >> experience with this?
> >>
> >> Mike MacLean
> >>
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