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I solved the problem years ago on my =E2=80=9862 BT-7 race car. I =
replaced the stock mounts with solid aluminum blocks, and reinforced the =
frame mounting brackets. Not concours of course, but no worries about =
the rubber. Any additional vibration is neglible - these are proper =
British cars that were made 50+ years ago, and the only time there are =
no vibrations is when the engine is off and sitting in the garage). The =
engine block also stiffens the frame which may not be much of an issue =
on a street car, but sure helps the rigidity on the race car. With 15 =
years of racing on the car, everything is still good (of course other =
parts may fall off, but that engine ain=E2=80=99t a goin=E2=80=99 =
nowheres).=20
Y'all take care, eh?
Fred
Team Healey Texas
From: Bob Spidell=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:54 AM
To: Simon Lachlan=20
Cc: healeys=20
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Engine mountings
Hi Simon,
My responses below preceded by '>>>'
Bob
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From: "Simon Lachlan" <simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk>
To: "Ahealey help" <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:12:25 AM
Subject: [Healeys] Engine mountings
I read the emails regarding the delaminating of these mountings and, =
allowing for inflation, even added my tuppence worth. Rather belatedly I =
decided to look at mine as they weren=E2=80=99t new when I bought the =
car back in =E2=80=9996. And, naturally, there is bad news. The RHS =
(manifold side) mounting is delaminating along its front edge, starting =
at the top and going about 20% of the way down. See attached.
The other side of that mounting seems fine though it is practically =
impossible to see and none of the other rubber bits on either side of =
the engine are showing any signs of problems. So, it=E2=80=99s only that =
one section.
What I propose to do is this:-
1) Not panic as this seems to have been a gradual process and there =
is no apparent reason why this process might speed up. I=E2=80=99m right =
to think that???
>>> No reason to panic. I've never heard of a Big Healey engine falling =
out of its compartment.
2) Replace ALL the rubber laminated parts of the mountings.....2 =
bits on either side.
>>> OK, but no one has identified a source of 'non-delaminating' mounts, =
yets. If you find one please let us know.
3) Achieve all of this with minimal disruption ie without removing =
the carbs (Webers) or exhaust manifolds though I concede that the =
centrerone may have to be loosened off. (Stainless big bore 6 branch). =
Certainly not going to take the engine out. I see myself supporting the =
engine and even moving it around fractionally with a couple of small =
trolley jacks.
>>> I raised my engine a couple inches a while back to replace the =
timing cover seal (I have a mostly stock BJ8 with SU carbs). I think =
you can do it, too, but not sure how you'll clear the headers on the =
port side. Make sure whatever throttle operating mechanism you have can =
either bend that much without damage, or disconnect it. I put a 2x4 =
under the pan to raise the engine with a floor jack and it put a 4" wide =
dent in the pan. if you come up with a better way to raise the engine =
please let us all know. I took my engine out a couple months ago and on =
the engine side the mounts took quite a bit of effort to remove (I'd =
installed them almost 30 years ago and must have torqued them with all =
my might). You might need to 'lever up,' and, hopefully, you'll have =
room.
4) Do the LHS (dizzy) side first as it seems to be easier and =
I=E2=80=99ll hopefully learn a thing or two in the process.
>>> Sounds prudent.
So, how am I doing?
a) I presume (ha!) it can be done per 3) above??? Can it?
b) Are there any obvious =E2=80=9Cdos and don=E2=80=99ts=E2=80=9D??
c) I=E2=80=99m in the UK......are there any of our =E2=80=9Cusual =
suspects=E2=80=9D whose engine mounting rubber is less suspicious than =
others??
d) Anything else I=E2=80=99ve missed?? There usually is!
Looking forward to your advice more than to the work involved,
Simon
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<DIV align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D4>I solved the problem years ago on my =
=E2=80=9862 BT-7 race=20
car. I replaced the stock mounts with solid aluminum blocks, and =
reinforced the=20
frame mounting brackets. Not concours of course, but no worries about =
the=20
rubber. Any additional vibration is neglible - these are proper British =
cars=20
that were made 50+ years ago, and the only time there are no vibrations =
is when=20
the engine is off and sitting in the garage). The engine block also =
stiffens the=20
frame which may not be much of an issue on a street car, but sure helps =
the=20
rigidity on the race car. With 15 years of racing on the car, everything =
is=20
still good (of course other parts may fall off, but that engine =
ain=E2=80=99t a goin=E2=80=99=20
nowheres). </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: =
#000000">Y'all take=20
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<DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A =
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href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";>Bob Spidell</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:54 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dsimon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk=20
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk";>Simon Lachlan</A> </DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Healeys] Engine mountings</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Simon,</DIV>
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<DIV>My responses below preceded by '>>>'</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob</DIV>
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</B>"Simon Lachlan" <simon.lachlan@homecall.co.uk><BR><B>To: =
</B>"Ahealey=20
help" <healeys@autox.team.net><BR><B>Sent: </B>Wednesday, November =
16,=20
2016 7:12:25 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>[Healeys] Engine mountings<BR>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>I read the emails regarding the delaminating of =
these=20
mountings and, allowing for inflation, even added my tuppence worth. =
Rather=20
belatedly I decided to look at mine as they weren=E2=80=99t new when I =
bought the car=20
back in =E2=80=9996. And, naturally, there is bad news. The RHS =
(manifold side) mounting=20
is delaminating along its front edge, starting at the top and going =
about 20% of=20
the way down. See attached.</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>The other side of that mounting seems fine though =
it is=20
practically impossible to see and none of the other rubber bits on =
either side=20
of the engine are showing any signs of problems. So, it=E2=80=99s only =
that one=20
section.</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>What I propose to do is this:-</P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: ignore">1)<SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT: 7pt "Times New Roman"'> =20
</SPAN></SPAN>Not panic as this seems to have been a gradual process and =
there=20
is no apparent reason why this process might speed up. I=E2=80=99m right =
to think=20
that???</P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1"> </P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1">>>> No =
reason to=20
panic. I've never heard of a Big Healey engine falling out of its=20
compartment.</P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1"> </P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: ignore">2)<SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT: 7pt "Times New Roman"'> =20
</SPAN></SPAN>Replace ALL the rubber laminated parts of the =
mountings.....2 bits=20
on either side.</P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1"> </P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1">>>> OK, =
but no one=20
has identified a source of 'non-delaminating' mounts, yets. If you =
find=20
one please let us know.</P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1"> </P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: ignore">3)<SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT: 7pt "Times New Roman"'> =20
</SPAN></SPAN>Achieve all of this with minimal disruption ie without =
removing=20
the carbs (Webers) or exhaust manifolds though I concede that the =
centrerone may=20
have to be loosened off. (Stainless big bore 6 branch). Certainly not =
going to=20
take the engine out. I see myself supporting the engine and even moving =
it=20
around fractionally with a couple of small trolley jacks.</P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1"> </P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1">>>> I =
raised my=20
engine a couple inches a while back to replace the timing cover seal (I =
have a=20
mostly stock BJ8 with SU carbs). I think you can do it, too, =
but not=20
sure how you'll clear the headers on the port side. Make sure =
whatever=20
throttle operating mechanism you have can either bend that much without =
damage,=20
or disconnect it. I put a 2x4 under the pan to raise the engine =
with a=20
floor jack and it put a 4" wide dent in the pan. if you come up =
with a=20
better way to raise the engine please let us all know. I took my =
engine=20
out a couple months ago and on the engine side the mounts took quite a =
bit of=20
effort to remove (I'd installed them almost 30 years ago and must have =
torqued=20
them with all my might). You might need to 'lever up,' and, =
hopefully,=20
you'll have room.</P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1"> </P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: ignore">4)<SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT: 7pt "Times New Roman"'> =20
</SPAN></SPAN>Do the LHS (dizzy) side first as it seems to be easier and =
I=E2=80=99ll=20
hopefully learn a thing or two in the process.</P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1"> </P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo1">>>> =
Sounds=20
prudent.</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal> </P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal>So, how am I doing?</P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: ignore">a)<SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT: 7pt "Times New Roman"'> =20
</SPAN></SPAN>I presume (ha!) it can be done per 3) above??? Can it?</P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: ignore">b)<SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT: 7pt "Times New Roman"'> =20
</SPAN></SPAN>Are there any obvious =E2=80=9Cdos and =
don=E2=80=99ts=E2=80=9D??</P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: ignore">c)<SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT: 7pt "Times New =
Roman"'> =20
</SPAN></SPAN>I=E2=80=99m in the UK......are there any of our =
=E2=80=9Cusual suspects=E2=80=9D whose=20
engine mounting rubber is less suspicious than others??</P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph=20
style=3D"TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo2"><SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-list: ignore">d)<SPAN=20
style=3D'FONT: 7pt "Times New Roman"'> =20
</SPAN></SPAN>Anything else I=E2=80=99ve missed?? There usually is!</P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph> </P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph>Looking forward to your advice more than to =
the work=20
involved,</P>
<P class=3DMsoListParagraph>Simon</P></DIV><BR><BR>
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