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EP lubes are formulated with an anti-friction additive especially for use i=
n hypoid gear sets. That is because hypoid gears use a sliding contact rath=
er than a rolling contact and the EP additive is required eliminate frictio=
n and to allow them to survive in use.
EP lubes should not be used in mechanisms that require built in friction to=
operate properly such as synchronizer rings in transmissions or limited sl=
ip differentials.
Detergents in oils are intended to suspend microscopic contaminants such as=
soot particles in engine oil so it doesn't settle out and form deposits in=
oil passages. I will not suspend large particles such as brass or iron fil=
ings.
Bill Lawrence
BN1#554
________________________________
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Oudesluys <coud=
esluijs@chello.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:24:38 AM
To: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil
If there are bronze/brass baulk/synchro rings in the gearbox it is best to =
be on the safe side and not use EP oils that contain halogens F, Cl, Br, I =
as these may attack the bronze/brass components. Sunbeam for that matter st=
ipulated to use SEA 30 or 20W50 engine oil. I do not see a reason to take t=
he risk using EP oils. They do not ad much if anything. Straight or deterge=
nt containing does not matter much if you change the oil on a regular basis=
as prescribed in those days. Oil is cheap so I change the oil in my gearbo=
x every time I change the engine oil, i.e. once a year. Use a drain plug wi=
th a magnet.
Modern gearboxes may not even have a drain plug as the oil is never changed=
and we have become used to that!
Kees Oudesluijs
Op 2-11-2016 om 1:21 schreef Simon Lachlan:
30wt non detergent.
Drips? Hard to tell but I don=92t think so. Certainly no more than before.
Gear change/overdrive??......just about noticeable improvement on previous =
20/50.
Better for the gearbox=92s internals? The jury remains out on that one!
Worth it? Well there=92s nothing earth shatteringly different. Do it if you=
=92re draining anyhow. Or if you are having sluggish OD changes...might hel=
p.
Overall observations:- 1) make sure that you=92ve got the filter and the ma=
gnets. Doesn=92t make much difference what oil you use if they=92re missing=
.
2) Consider swapping the mad notched drain plug monstrosity for the earlier=
one with the spanner/socket friendly hex. Once that=92s done, the whole pr=
ocess becomes much easier.
Steve=92s right.....this topic is a real Golden Oldie.
You=92ll have noticed that threads related to the choice of oils brings out=
some fairly spirited remarks!?
Simon
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Team.net
Sent: 01 November 2016 18:20
To: BJ8Healeys
Cc: Ahealey help
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil
I tried Redline at one point and the gearbox leaked profusely. Changed bac=
k to 30wtnd and now only have the typical drips.
Moral to the story: all our cars are different so what works for one may no=
t work for others.
rr.com>> wrote:
Another question that will result in a lot of different opinions. I've alw=
ays used 30-weight non-detergent oil in my gearbox and overdrive. Non-dete=
rgent according to the theory that because there is no oil filter in the sy=
stem non-detergent oil allows any wear particles to settle out of the oil i=
nstead of being continuously circulated through the mechanicals.
Steve Byers
HBJ8L/36666
BJ8 Registry
AHCA Delegate at Large
Havelock, NC
From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charlie =
Schott
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 9:45 AM
To: Richard Kahn; Richard Ewald
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil
Will someone please tell me what weight of oil to use in a BJ8 gearbox with=
overdrive. Thanks.
Regards,
Charlie Schott
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<p>EP lubes are formulated with an anti-friction additive especially for us=
e in hypoid gear sets. That is because hypoid gears use a sliding contact r=
ather than a rolling contact and the EP additive is required eliminate fric=
tion and to allow them to survive
in use.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>EP lubes should not be used in mechanisms that require built in friction=
to operate properly such as synchronizer rings in transmissions or li=
mited slip differentials.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Detergents in oils are intended to suspend microscopic contaminants such=
as soot particles in engine oil so it doesn't settle out and form deposits=
in oil passages. I will not suspend large particles such as brass or iron =
filings.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Bill Lawrence</p>
<p>BN1#554</p>
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ounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Oudesluys <coudesluijs@chello.nl&=
gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:24:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> healeys@autox.team.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil</font>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">If there are bronze/brass baulk/synchro ring=
s in the gearbox it is best to be on the safe side and not use EP oils that=
contain halogens F, Cl, Br, I as these may attack the bronze/brass compone=
nts. Sunbeam for that matter stipulated
to use SEA 30 or 20W50 engine oil. I do not see a reason to take the risk =
using EP oils. They do not ad much if anything. Straight or detergent conta=
ining does not matter much if you change the oil on a regular basis as pres=
cribed in those days. Oil is cheap
so I change the oil in my gearbox every time I change the engine oil, i.e.=
once a year. Use a drain plug with a magnet.<br>
<br>
Modern gearboxes may not even have a drain plug as the oil is never changed=
and we have become used to that!<br>
<br>
Kees Oudesluijs<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Op 2-11-2016 om 1:21 schreef Simon Lachlan:<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>30wt non detergent. </span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Drips? Hard to tell but I don=92t think so. Ce=
rtainly no more than before.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Gear change/overdrive??......just about notice=
able improvement on previous 20/50.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Better for the gearbox=92s internals? The jury=
remains out on that one!</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Worth it? Well there=92s nothing earth shatter=
ingly different. Do it if you=92re draining anyhow. Or if you are having sl=
uggish OD changes...might help.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Overall observations:- 1) make sure that you=
=92ve got the filter and the magnets. Doesn=92t make much difference what o=
il you use if they=92re missing.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>2) Consider swapping the mad notched drain plu=
g monstrosity for the earlier one with the spanner/socket friendly hex. Onc=
e that=92s done, the whole process becomes much easier.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Steve=92s right.....this topic is a real Golde=
n Oldie.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>You=92ll have noticed that threads related to =
the choice of oils brings out some fairly spirited remarks!?</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Simon</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Healeys [<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"mailto:heal=
eys-bounces@autox.team.net">mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Team.net<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 01 November 2016 18:20<br>
<b>To:</b> BJ8Healeys<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil</span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I tried Redline at one point and the gearbox leaked =
profusely. Changed back to 30wtnd and now only have the typical drips=
.</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Moral to the story: all our cars are different so wh=
at works for one may not work for others.</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:06 PM, BJ8Healeys <<a moz-d=
o-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:sbyers@ec.rr.com";>sbyers@ec.rr.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:</p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Another question that will result in a lot of =
different opinions. I've always used 30-weight non-detergent oil in m=
y gearbox and overdrive. Non-detergent according to the theory that b=
ecause there is no oil filter in the system
non-detergent oil allows any wear particles to settle out of the oil inste=
ad of being continuously circulated through the mechanicals.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Steve Byers</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>HBJ8L/36666</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>BJ8 Registry</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>AHCA Delegate at Large</span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Havelock, NC <span class=3D"apple-convert=
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ted-space"><span> </span></span><span>Healeys [<a moz-do-not-send=3D"t=
rue" href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";><span>mailto:healeys-bo=
unces@autox.team.net</span></a>]<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> =
;</span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Charlie Sc=
hott<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, Nov=
ember 01, 2016 9:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Richard Kahn; =
Richard Ewald<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-=
send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";><span>healeys@autox.te=
am.net</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Heal=
eys] Gearbox oil</span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Will someone please tell me what weight of oil=
to use in a BJ8 gearbox with overdrive. Thanks.</span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Regards,</span></p>
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