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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering question
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And pumping in the Penright can be a challenge.  I had the tube come =
adrift under pressure and blew the thick oil all over the surrounding =
area.  May hours and several boxes of Q-Tips later I was still finding =
little globs of the stuff.

=20

Bruce Steele

Brea, CA

1960 BN7

=20

From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of i =
erbs
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 12:31 PM
To: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Cc: Ahealey help <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Steering question

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I switched to Penright oil to stop it from leaking and it really =
improved the steering response too. You need to pump it as it is very =
thick and will not pour.

Mr. Ira Erbs
Portland,OR

On Dec 28, 2015 12:19 PM, "Michael Oritt" <michael.oritt@gmail.com =

All--

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Thanks for the good suggestions.  After reading Joseph's I did a quick =
check on the shocks and found I could tighten the upper shock mounts =
about one flat (I have Putske's Bilstein shocks mounted) but to be on =
the safe side I will give the entire front end a good nut and bolt =
before ruling anything out.

=20

I am running about 27 psi on the Michelin XAS's and I will also check =
toe as per Dave Porter's suggestion.

=20

In the meantime it has been quite a while since I have checked the fluid =
level in the steering box and I ran out of time to check it today as  I =
must move the cold air hose in order to get to it.  What is the =
preferred lubricant for a box that has not shown any signs of leakage?

=20

Best--Michael Oritt =20

=20

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:52 PM, David Porter <frogeye@porterscustom.com =

Wander is generally an issue with the toe-in/out. Check the tie toe ends =
for excessive wear..
happy new year from Snippy..

=20

On 12/28/2015 12:23 PM, Michael Oritt wrote:

I have a December, 1954 100. =20

=20

My wife and I went out for an extended ride yesterday. She drove first =
and though she does not have much experience with the car she is a quick =
study and good thinker. After she had driven for perhaps 20 miles she =
commented that the steering seemed go be "wandering" and required =
constant small adjustments to keep the car going straight. She felt that =
the condition did not start until after we had been driving for a while. =
I did not say anything and thought to myself that she simply was not =
used to the car.=20

=20

After about 50 miles we switched and--whether or not it was because of =
her comment--I noticed that the car did in fact want to wander and I had =
to stay on top of keeping the car from veering ever so slightly from =
left or right of center. The situation remained the same for the balance =
of the trip--about 150 or so miles in all till we came home.


Whether or not this is relevant--once the wheel is turned to set up for =
a turn everything seems fine and the car holds a steady track through =
the turn. It was only when the wheels were straight ahead that the issue =
presented.

I decided to address this today and with the car in the garage I find =
that there is virtually no play whatsoever in the steering--perhaps 1/2" =
or less--whether the front wheels are on or off the ground. =20

=20

=E2=80=8BThe "adjustment" procedure described in the manual for "later" =
100's simply tells me to loosen the lock nut, remove the cover plate and =
tighten down the adjusting screw to remove play.  I am not finding a lot =
of play--again 1/2" or less-whether the car is on the ground or in the =
air--except when we are rolling.

=20

I have, btw, checked for loose front wheel bearings by trying to wiggle =
the front wheels both from side to side and back and forth and =
everything feels just right.  Also I have observed the steering linkage =
from underneath and when I push the wheels from lock to lock I see no =
looseness, etc. in the end ball joints or the steering tie rods.

=20

=E2=80=8B Suggestions will be appreciated....

=20

Best--Michael Oritt=E2=80=8B

=20

=E2=80=8B

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif'>And pumping in the =
Penright can be a challenge.=C2=A0 I had the tube come adrift under =
pressure and blew the thick oil all over the surrounding area.=C2=A0 May =
hours and several boxes of Q-Tips later I was still finding little globs =
of the stuff.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Bruce =
Steele<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Brea, =
CA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>1960 =
BN7<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>i =
erbs<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 28, 2015 12:31 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
Michael Oritt &lt;michael.oritt@gmail.com&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Ahealey help =
&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Steering =
question<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p>I switched to Penright oil to =
stop it from leaking and it really improved the steering response too. =
You need to pump it as it is very thick and will not =
pour.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Mr. Ira Erbs<br>Portland,OR<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Dec 28, 2015 12:19 PM, &quot;Michael Oritt&quot; =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com";>michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'>All--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Thanks for the good =
suggestions.&nbsp; After reading Joseph's I did a quick check on the =
shocks and found I could tighten the upper shock mounts about one flat =
(I have Putske's Bilstein shocks mounted) but to be on the safe side I =
will give the entire front end a good nut and bolt before ruling =
anything out.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>I am running about 27 =
psi on the Michelin XAS's and I will also check toe as per Dave Porter's =
suggestion.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>In the meantime it has =
been quite a while since I have checked the fluid level in the steering =
box and I ran out of time to check it today as &nbsp;I must move the =
cold air hose in order to get to it.&nbsp; What is the preferred =
lubricant for a box that has not shown any signs of =
leakage?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Best--Michael Oritt =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Mon, =
Dec 28, 2015 at 2:52 PM, David Porter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:frogeye@porterscustom.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">frogeye@porterscustom.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
#CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Wander is generally an issue with the toe-in/out. =
Check the tie toe ends for excessive wear..<br>happy new year from =
Snippy..<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 12/28/2015 12:23 PM, Michael Oritt =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>I have a December, 1954 =
100. &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:blue;bac=
kground:#FAFAFA'>My wife and I went out for an extended ride yesterday. =
She drove first and though she does not have much experience with the =
car she is a quick study and good thinker. After she had driven for =
perhaps 20 miles she commented that the steering seemed go be =
&quot;wandering&quot; and required constant small adjustments to keep =
the car going straight. She felt that the condition did not start until =
after we had been driving for a while.&nbsp;I did not say anything and =
thought to myself that she simply was not used to the =
car.&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:blue;bac=
kground:#FAFAFA'>After about 50 miles we switched and--whether or not it =
was because of her comment--I noticed that the car did in fact want to =
wander and I had to stay on top of keeping the car from veering ever so =
slightly from left or right of center. The situation remained the same =
for the balance of the trip--about 150 or so miles in all till we came =
home.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:blue'><b=
r><span style=3D'background:#FAFAFA'>Whether or not this is =
relevant--once the wheel is turned to set up for a turn everything seems =
fine and the car holds a steady track through the turn. It was only when =
the wheels were straight ahead that the issue =
presented.</span><br><br><span style=3D'background:#FAFAFA'>I decided to =
address this today and with the car in the garage I find that there is =
virtually no play whatsoever in the steering--perhaps 1/2&quot; or =
less--whether the front wheels are on or off the =
ground.&nbsp;</span></span> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3333FF;ba=
ckground:#FAFAFA'>=E2=80=8B</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#3333FF;=
background:#FAFAFA'>The &quot;adjustment&quot; procedure described in =
the manual for &quot;later&quot; 100's simply tells me to loosen the =
lock nut, remove the cover plate and tighten down the adjusting screw to =
remove play.&nbsp; I am not finding a lot of play--again 1/2&quot; or =
less-whether the car is on the ground or in the air--except when we are =
rolling.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#3333FF;=
background:#FAFAFA'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#3333FF;=
background:#FAFAFA'>I have, btw, checked for loose front wheel bearings =
by trying to wiggle the front wheels both from side to side and back and =
forth and everything feels just right.&nbsp; Also I have observed the =
steering linkage from underneath and when I push the wheels from lock to =
lock I see no looseness, etc. in the end ball joints or the steering tie =
rods.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#3333FF;=
background:#FAFAFA'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>=E2=80=8B Suggestions =
will be appreciated....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#3333FF'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Best--Michael =
Oritt=E2=80=8B<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
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