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See:
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<http://www.healey6.com/Technical/hub.pdf> =
http://www.healey6.com/Technical/hub.pdf
and
<http://www.mgaguru.com/mgtech/wheels/wl102.htm> =
http://www.mgaguru.com/mgtech/wheels/wl102.htm
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John Sims
Aberdeen, NJ
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www.healey6.com
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From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
Michael Salter
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 3:22 PM
To: Roger Grace
Cc: Healey List
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels
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Hi Roger,
If you read the original Rudge-Whitworth patent on the spline drive =
wheels you will note that there was a need for clearance in the splines =
to allow the self tightening function to work.=20
I suspect that the play that you are noticing is actually part of the =
design.
Michael S
BN1 3174
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On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net> wrote:
Resolution. Sort of ... mmmm
Now installed 2 new spinners.
Note that the new ones were 0.75 mm deeper than the old ones.
So now have new wheels, hub splines and spinners.
Yes, there is some improvement but have to still slog harder than I =
think that I should have to.
Have decided to live with it and keep an eye on early wear on the =
splines. To my mind the only other thing is the machining tolerance of =
the hub splines from the different suppliers. Reluctant to make a costly =
science project out of it at this stage. Do not think that it is the =
wheel splines as MWS say they manufacture them in 1000 piece batches.
=20
However one thing that still baffles me is the fitment of the =
wheels/splines.
I cant help thinking of typical drive shaft type spline joints; there is =
no free play and little wear.
So question is how does tightening the spinner reduce the play between =
the splines ??
Or does it ? Is there always some free play in the splines and this is =
what causes the wear ?
My thinking is that the 60 deg. taper on hub and wheel play a larger =
part in torque transmission than we think.=20
=20
Any ideas ??
rg
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Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Splines and Wheels
=20
Hi Roger,
I have encountered that problem myself with new wheels and splines. so =
you are not alone. What was most confusing was that after tightening =
fully and removing the KO nut the wheel pulled off the spline easily so =
my theory about slight interference on the spline did not hold water.=20
Never really found a cause and it went away after the wheels were run on =
the road for a while after which the KO nut would spin on by hand and =
require about 1/2 a turn of tightening=20
Please let me know if you figure out the cause..
BTW good video about making wire wheels here.
http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-make-wire-wheels/
Michael S
BN1 #174=20
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On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net> wrote:
I have just installed new MWS 5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Moss (USA =
made) splined hubs on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new turret lug =
nuts.
I am not happy with the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of the =
spinner to take up the peripheral play in the wheels.
What gives ? Spoken to both MWS and Moss and they are at a loss.
I can confirm that the hub mounting studs are not touching the inside of =
the wheel and that the spinners are not bottoming.
Switched front to back spinners and no change.
Spinner thread ID seems to be within spec. at 2.194 in
Now thinking about new spinners .. ?? Are there perhaps spinners with a =
different taper .. ?
Anyone had similar issues ??
=20
As an aside, trying to get my head around all this, appears to me that =
torque is also (as well as splines) transmitted by the taper fit between =
the wheel inside and hub, as otherwise the wheel would not tighten when =
the spinner is tightened .. ??
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Black","sans-serif"'>See:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://www.healey6.com/Technical/hub.pdf";><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI","sans-serif"'>http://www.healey6.com/Technical/hub.pdf</span></a><spa=
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UI","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI","sans-serif";color:black'>and<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://www.mgaguru.com/mgtech/wheels/wl102.htm";><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI","sans-serif"'>http://www.mgaguru.com/mgtech/wheels/wl102.htm</span></=
a><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe =
UI","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Black","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>John Sims<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'>Aberdeen, NJ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><a =
href=3D"http://www.healey6.com";>www.healey6.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial =
Black","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Healeys [<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Friday, November 06, 2015 3:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> Roger =
Grace<br><b>Cc:</b> Healey List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Splines =
and Wheels<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Hi =
Roger,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>If you read the original =
Rudge-Whitworth patent on the spline drive wheels you will note that =
there was a need for clearance in the splines to allow the self =
tightening function to work. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>I suspect that the play that you =
are noticing is actually part of the =
design.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Michael =
S<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>BN1 =
3174<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri, =
Nov 6, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Roger Grace <<a =
href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Resolution. Sort of =
... mmmm<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Now installed 2 new =
spinners.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Note that the new ones =
were 0.75 mm deeper than the old =
ones.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>So now have new =
wheels, hub splines and spinners.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Yes, there is some improvement but have to still slog =
harder than I think that I should have =
to.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Have decided to live =
with it and keep an eye on early wear on the splines. To my mind the =
only other thing is the machining tolerance of the hub splines from the =
different suppliers. Reluctant to make a costly science project out of =
it at this stage. Do not think that it is the wheel splines as MWS say =
they manufacture them in 1000 piece =
batches.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>However one thing that still baffles me is the fitment =
of the wheels/splines.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>I cant help thinking of typical drive shaft type spline =
joints; there is no free play and little wear.<br>So question is how =
does tightening the spinner reduce the play between the splines =
??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Or does it ? Is there =
always some free play in the splines and this is what causes the wear =
?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>My thinking is that =
the 60 deg. taper on hub and wheel play a larger part in torque =
transmission than we think. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Any ideas ??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>rg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
title=3D"michaelsalter@gmail.com">Michael Salter</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Sent:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Monday, November 2, 2015 10:41 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
To:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
title=3D"roggrace@telus.net">Roger Grace</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Cc:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
title=3D"healeys@autox.team.net">Healey List</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Subject:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Re: [Healeys] Splines and =
Wheels<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Hi Roger,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>I have encountered that problem myself with new wheels =
and splines. so you are not alone. What was most confusing was that =
after tightening fully and removing the KO nut the wheel pulled off the =
spline easily so my theory about slight interference on the spline did =
not hold water. <br>Never really found a cause and it went away after =
the wheels were run on the road for a while after which the KO nut would =
spin on by hand and require about 1/2 a turn of tightening =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Please let me know if =
you figure out the cause..<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>BTW good video about =
making wire wheels here.<br><a =
href=3D"http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-make-wire-wheels/"; =
target=3D"_blank">http://cara.co.id/2015/06/how-to-make-wire-wheels/</a><=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Michael =
S<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>BN1 #174 =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On Mon, Nov 2, =
2015 at 12:47 PM, Roger Grace <<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@telus.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">roggrace@telus.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>=
<div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I have just installed =
new MWS 5.5in 72 spoke wheels and new Moss (USA made) splined hubs =
on the rear of my BJ8. Also fitted new turret lug =
nuts.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I am not happy with =
the fitment as have to hammer the hell out of the spinner to take up the =
peripheral play in the wheels.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>What gives ? Spoken to both MWS and Moss and they are =
at a loss.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>I can confirm that the =
hub mounting studs are not touching the inside of the wheel and that the =
spinners are not bottoming.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Switched front to back spinners and no =
change.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:black'>Spinner thread ID =
seems to be within spec. at 2.194 in<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Now thinking about new spinners .. ?? Are there perhaps =
spinners with a different taper .. ?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>Anyone had similar issues =
??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:black'>As an aside, trying to get my head around all this, =
appears to me that torque is also (as well as splines) transmitted by =
the taper fit between the wheel inside and hub, as otherwise the wheel =
would not tighten when the spinner is tightened .. =
??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans =
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