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From: ynotink@msn.com
To: michael.oritt@gmail.com
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Oil again
Date: Thu=2C 18 Jun 2015 03:08:45 +0000
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I see I'm late to the party on this topic. I was up in the Rocky Mountains =
participating in the Glenwood Springs Rallye when it started and frankly I =
wish I still were. However=2C at the risk of being called ignorant=2C uninf=
ormed=2C commie pinko or whatever I have a little information that may be o=
f help in sorting out the oil confusion.=20
Engine oil comes in generations as defined by the additive packages which a=
re blended in to tailor them for specific purposes. These generations can b=
e traced by the API codes which are located on the container.=20
The API code is two letters found on the label. The first letter is either =
a C=2C which denotes the oil is intended for use in a compression ignition =
engine=2C or an S which denotes it is intended for use in a spark ignition =
engine.
The second letter denotes the type of use intended and follows the developm=
ent of the internal combustion engine from the most primitive (A) to the mo=
st sophisticated (I think they are at O Now). protective amounts of zinc we=
re dropped from the additive package at SM. Any oil before that=2C or say f=
rom SD through SL=2C still contains zinc.
It may be true that zinc is not necessary for engines after the camshaft br=
eak-in=2C but I prefer to be cautious on that score so I look for oil that =
is SL or earlier. I'll let the more informed and adventurous members conduc=
t that experiment...
Some heavy duty oils such as Chevron Delo or Rotella are rated for both com=
pression ignition and for spark ignition service and will show both a C and=
an S rating. In some cases those oils will still have an SM or later ratin=
g.
The one oil type I have found that is reliably rated below SM is four strok=
e motorcycle oil because motorcycles don't have catalysts. Typically it is =
rated SF or SG. Since the oil has no way of knowing it is being run in an a=
utomotive engine and my Healey doesn't know the oil it's spewing is meant f=
or a motorcycle I have been running Castrol 4T in 20W-50 grade quite happil=
y.
As for the controversy part=2C if we start banning contentious topics we so=
on won't have anything to talk about like most modern college campuses.
Bill LawrenceBN1 #554
From: michael.oritt@gmail.com
Date: Sat=2C 13 Jun 2015 06:14:11 -0400
To: javrugtman@htcnet.org
CC: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil again
We ALWAYS talk about oil and no one seems to have the answer=2C so we simpl=
y keep talking about it. For a change let's talk about politics or religio=
n=2C two topics which are susceptible to absolute rectitude. Many or most o=
f us do not have the correct answers on either and someone here--perhaps an=
unknown lurker--may choose to now come forward with his or her enlightenme=
nt and reveal it to us. =20
To mix a metaphor=2C I now listen with a jaundiced eye.
Best--Michael Oritt=20
On Fri=2C Jun 12=2C 2015 at 7:45 PM=2C John Vrugtman <javrugtman@htcnet.org=
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politics and religion=2C like water and oil=2C don't mix. On the other=
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On 6/12/2015 7:16 PM=2C Richard Kahn=0A=
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ing">From: ynotink@msn.com<br>To: michael.oritt@gmail.com<br>Subject: RE: [=
Healeys] Oil again<br>Date: Thu=2C 18 Jun 2015 03:08:45 +0000<br><br>=0A=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I see I'm late to the party on this topic. I was up in the=
Rocky Mountains participating in the Glenwood Springs Rallye when it start=
ed and frankly I wish I still were. However=2C at the risk of being called =
ignorant=2C uninformed=2C commie pinko or whatever I have a little informat=
ion that may be of help in sorting out the oil confusion. =3B<div><br><=
/div><div>Engine oil comes in generations as defined by the additive packag=
es which are blended in to tailor them for specific purposes. These generat=
ions can be traced by the API codes which are located on the container.&nbs=
p=3B</div><div><br></div><div>The API code is two letters found on the labe=
l. =3B<span style=3D"font-size:12pt=3B">The first letter is either a C=
=2C which denotes the oil is intended for use in a compression ignition eng=
ine=2C or an S which denotes it is intended for use in a spark ignition eng=
ine.</span></div><div><br></div><div>The second letter denotes the type of =
use intended and follows the development of the internal combustion engine =
from the most primitive (A) to the most sophisticated (I think they are at =
O Now). protective amounts of zinc were dropped from the additive package a=
t SM. Any oil before that=2C or say from SD through SL=2C still contains zi=
nc.</div><div><br></div><div>It may be true that zinc is not necessary for =
engines after the camshaft break-in=2C but I prefer to be cautious on that =
score so I look for oil that is SL or earlier. I'll let the more informed a=
nd adventurous members conduct that experiment...</div><div><br></div><div>=
Some heavy duty oils such as Chevron Delo or Rotella are rated for both com=
pression ignition and for spark ignition service and will show both a C and=
an S rating. In some cases those oils will still have an SM or later ratin=
g.</div><div><br></div><div>The one oil type I have found that is reliably =
rated below SM is four stroke motorcycle oil because motorcycles don't have=
catalysts. Typically it is rated SF or SG. =3B<span style=3D"font-size=
:12pt=3B">Since the oil has no way of knowing it is being run in an automot=
ive engine and my Healey doesn't know the oil it's spewing is meant for a m=
otorcycle I have been running Castrol 4T in 20W-50 grade quite happily.</sp=
an></div><div><br></div><div>As for the controversy part=2C if we start ban=
ning contentious topics we soon won't have anything to talk about like most=
modern college campuses.</div><div><br></div><div>Bill Lawrence</div><div>=
BN1 #554<br><br><div><hr id=3D"ecxstopSpelling">From: michael.oritt@gmail.c=
om<br>Date: Sat=2C 13 Jun 2015 06:14:11 -0400<br>To: javrugtman@htcnet.org<=
br>CC: healeys@autox.team.net<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil again<br><br><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff=3B">W=
e ALWAYS talk about oil and no one seems to have the answer=2C so we simply=
keep talking about it.  =3B</div><div class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=
=3D"color:#3333ff=3B">For a change let's talk about politics or religion=2C=
two topics which are susceptible to absolute rectitude. Many or most of us=
do not have the correct answers on either and someone here--perhaps an unk=
nown lurker--may choose to now come forward with his or her enlightenment a=
nd reveal it to us.  =3B<br></div><div class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=
=3D"color:#3333ff=3B"><br></div><div class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"co=
lor:#3333ff=3B">To mix a metaphor=2C I now listen with a jaundiced eye.</di=
v><div class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff=3B"><br></div><div=
class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff=3B">Best--Michael Oritt&=
nbsp=3B</div></div><div class=3D"ecxgmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"ecxgmail=
_quote">On Fri=2C Jun 12=2C 2015 at 7:45 PM=2C John Vrugtman <span dir=3D"l=
tr"><=3B<a href=3D"mailto:javrugtman@htcnet.org"; target=3D"_blank">javrug=
tman@htcnet.org</a>>=3B</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"ecxgmail_qu=
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politics and religion=2C like water and oil=2C don't mix. =3B On th=
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