Re: [Healeys] Parts is Parts; was: Re: Missing under Load

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Subject:	Re: [Healeys] Parts is Parts; was: Re: Missing under Load
From:	Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com>
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There is also someone in the Southern Ontario Club that is/was making these=
 rubbers pieces that were exactly as the old ones.=20

Jean=20

Date: Thu=2C 4 Jun 2015 18:28:04 +0000
From: bspidell@comcast.net
To: michaelsalter@gmail.com
CC: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: [Healeys] Parts is Parts=3B was: Re:  Missing under Load

Michael=2C

Someone=2C somewhere=2C will appreciate your horn rims.

When restoring our BN2=2C I heard the aftermarket rear reflectors--the ones=
 on the 'plinths'--were different than original.  Don't remember how=2C exa=
ctly=2C but a connoisseur of Healeys--think the late Rich C. or Curtis A. (=
still around=2C I hope)--would know.  There was a man=2C I think he was a l=
urker on this List=2C who was making them from scratch.  He was retired fro=
m Pratt & Whitney Propulsion--yep=2C an honest-to-god rocket scientist--who=
 was making them as a hobby.  He made custom molds for the rubber 'grommets=
=2C' exactly replicated the chrome rims--in brass--and had them plated to p=
erfection=2C and sourced original Lucas reflector lenses from somewhere.   =
I bought a pair=2C for $125 or thereabouts=2C and was glad to get them=3B a=
fter all=2C this was a genuine 'factory' 100M bought for ... well=2C you do=
n't want to know.  Last I heard he was studying steering boxes in order to =
create a new=2C scientifically-designed worm gear that would eliminate most=
 play (maybe D. Welsh beat him to it).

Bob


Bob I could not agree with you more!
The horn rims that I have had made are a prefect case in point.=20
http://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/?p=3D1335
I have had many many inquiries from owners interested in them but when they=
 hear that they will cost $89 each including shipping I frequently hear bac=
k that there is a UK supplier who sells them for less.
The rims from across the pond are for made for an earlier model horn=2C wil=
l fit with a bit of work and with shipping in they cost a few dollars less =
however=2C they are "made to a price" and actually really don't look correc=
t=2C but that is where the money goes.
As the saying goes...."You get what you pay for."The car that I have just f=
inished has a very large proportion of restored used parts in it because I =
have found that it is easier to replicate an original by starting with one.
Michael S
BN1 #174



On Thu=2C Jun 4=2C 2015 at 11:21 AM=2C Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> w=
rote:
In defense of Moss--sort of--like any business they try to offer what their=
 customers want.  Face it=2C most people buy on price (even classic car fan=
atics).  I have had extensive conversations with Moss people--Michael Grant=
 in particular--and they would love to provide perfect quality at WalMart p=
rices=2C but they are at the mercy of their suppliers and customers (althou=
gh it appears they are starting to manufacture some parts=2C like upholster=
y and brake parts).  They are also offering different grades of quality=3B =
Kilmartin vs. No-Name sheet-metal=2C for instance.  The abject failure of W=
alMart to make a profit proves people want quality at any cost (NOT).

I'll recite again the conversation I had with a local=2C small=2C LBC parts=
 supplier.  He had a NOS Big Healey front bumper--he wanted $300 for it--an=
d no one would buy it=2C preferring the crappy=2C flimsy off-brand versions=
 at about $100.  Then=2C the people who bought the cheap bumpers bitched ab=
out the quality.

Bob








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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>There is also someone in the Sou=
thern Ontario Club that is/was making these rubbers pieces that were exactl=
y as the old ones. <br><br>Jean <br><br><div><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Date: =
Thu=2C 4 Jun 2015 18:28:04 +0000<br>From: bspidell@comcast.net<br>To: micha=
elsalter@gmail.com<br>CC: healeys@autox.team.net<br>Subject: [Healeys] Part=
s is Parts=3B was: Re:  Missing under Load<br><br><div style=3D"font-family=
:Arial=3Bfont-size:12pt=3Bcolor:#000000=3B"><div aria-label=3D"Compose body=
">Michael=2C<br></div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div aria-=
label=3D"Compose body">Someone=2C somewhere=2C will appreciate your horn ri=
ms.<br></div><div aria-label=3D"Compose body"><br></div><div aria-label=3D"=
Compose body">When restoring our BN2=2C I heard the aftermarket rear reflec=
tors--the ones on the 'plinths'--were different than original.&nbsp=3B Don'=
t remember how=2C exactly=2C but a connoisseur of Healeys--think the late R=
ich C. or Curtis A. (still around=2C I hope)--would know.&nbsp=3B There was=
 a man=2C I think he was a lurker on this List=2C who was making them from =
scratch.&nbsp=3B He was retired from Pratt &amp=3B Whitney Propulsion--yep=
=2C an honest-to-god rocket scientist--who was making them as a hobby.&nbsp=
=3B He made custom molds for the rubber 'grommets=2C' exactly replicated th=
e chrome rims--in brass--and had them plated to perfection=2C and sourced o=
riginal Lucas reflector lenses from somewhere.&nbsp=3B&nbsp=3B I bought a p=
air=2C for $125 or thereabouts=2C and was glad to get them=3B after all=2C =
this was a genuine 'factory' 100M bought for ... well=2C you don't want to =
know.&nbsp=3B Last I heard he was studying steering boxes in order to creat=
e a new=2C scientifically-designed worm gear that would eliminate most play=
 (maybe D. Welsh beat him to it).<br></div><div><br></div><div>Bob<br></div=
><div style=3D"color:#000=3Bfont-weight:normal=3Bfont-style:normal=3Btext-d=
ecoration:none=3Bfont-family:Helvetica=2CArial=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:12p=
t=3B" data-mce-style=3D"color: #000=3B font-weight: normal=3B font-style: n=
ormal=3B text-decoration: none=3B font-family: Helvetica=2CArial=2Csans-ser=
if=3B font-size: 12pt=3B"><br><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D=
"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-s=
ize:small=3B" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: comic sans ms=2Csans-serif=3B =
font-size: small=3B">Bob I could not agree with you more!<br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms=2Csans-serif=3Bf=
ont-size:small=3B" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: comic sans ms=2Csans-seri=
f=3B font-size: small=3B">The horn rims that I have had made are a prefect =
case in point. <br><a href=3D"http://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/?p=3D1335"; =
target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"http://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/?p=3D1=
335">http://www.netbug.net/blogmichael/?p=3D1335</a><br></div><div class=3D=
"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-s=
ize:small=3B" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: comic sans ms=2Csans-serif=3B =
font-size: small=3B">I have had many many inquiries from owners interested =
in them but when they hear that they will cost $89 each including shipping =
I frequently hear back that there is a UK supplier who sells them for less.=
<br>The rims from across the pond are for made for an earlier model horn=2C=
 will fit with a bit of work and with shipping in they cost a few dollars l=
ess however=2C they are "made to a price" and actually really don't look co=
rrect=2C but that is where the money goes.<br>As the saying goes...."You ge=
t what you pay for."</div><div class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:comic sans ms=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:small=3B" data-mce-style=3D"font=
-family: comic sans ms=2Csans-serif=3B font-size: small=3B">The car that I =
have just finished has a very large proportion of restored used parts in it=
 because I have found that it is easier to replicate an original by startin=
g with one.<br></div><div class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"font-family:c=
omic sans ms=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:small=3B" data-mce-style=3D"font-fami=
ly: comic sans ms=2Csans-serif=3B font-size: small=3B">Michael S<br></div><=
div class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms=2Csans-se=
rif=3Bfont-size:small=3B" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: comic sans ms=2Csa=
ns-serif=3B font-size: small=3B">BN1 #174<br></div><div class=3D"ecxgmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:small=
=3B" data-mce-style=3D"font-family: comic sans ms=2Csans-serif=3B font-size=
: small=3B"><br></div><div class=3D"ecxgmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
comic sans ms=2Csans-serif=3Bfont-size:small=3B" data-mce-style=3D"font-fam=
ily: comic sans ms=2Csans-serif=3B font-size: small=3B"><br></div></div><di=
v class=3D"ecxgmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"ecxgmail_quote">On Thu=2C Jun =
4=2C 2015 at 11:21 AM=2C Bob Spidell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=3B<a href=3D"mai=
lto:bspidell@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:bspidel=
l@comcast.net">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt=3B</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"ecxgmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid=3Bpadding-left=
:1ex=3B" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex=3B border-left: 1px #ccc soli=
d=3B padding-left: 1ex=3B"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>In defense of Moss--s=
ort of--like any business they try to offer what their customers want.&nbsp=
=3B Face it=2C most people buy on price (even classic car fanatics).&nbsp=
=3B I have had extensive conversations with Moss people--Michael Grant in p=
articular--and they would love to provide perfect quality at WalMart prices=
=2C but they are at the mercy of their suppliers and customers (although it=
 appears they are starting to manufacture some parts=2C like upholstery and=
 brake parts).&nbsp=3B They are also offering different grades of quality=
=3B Kilmartin vs. No-Name sheet-metal=2C for instance.&nbsp=3B The abject f=
ailure of WalMart to make a profit proves people want quality at any cost (=
NOT).<br></div><div><br></div><div>I'll recite again the conversation I had=
 with a local=2C small=2C LBC parts supplier.&nbsp=3B He had a NOS Big Heal=
ey front bumper--he wanted $300 for it--and no one would buy it=2C preferri=
ng the crappy=2C flimsy off-brand versions at about $100.&nbsp=3B Then=2C t=
he people who bought the cheap bumpers bitched about the quality.<br></div>=
<div><br></div><div>Bob<br></div><div><br></div><br><div><br></div><div><br=
></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><=
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