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Re: Ebay BJ8

To: <Awgertoo@aol.com>, <mother-ship@earthlink.net>, <Healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: Ebay BJ8
From: "davidwjones" <davidwjones@cox.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:46:14 -0500
The registries have also been very useful recently in the shutting down of
several frauds.
There was a "100S" on e-bay that had apparently been cobbled together from a
standard 100 and a lot of reproduction and spare parts...
And there were two occasions where e-bay Healeys were shown to have been
supposedly offered for sale from 2 or 3 diverse locations nearly
simultaneously, and were identified as scams utilizing "borrowed" car pictures
and ID data. These were rapidly removed from e-bay.
It was those instances that have impressed me the most.

David W. Jones
'62 Mk II BT7 tricarb
Cumberland, RI USA

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Awgertoo@aol.com
  To: mother-ship@earthlink.net ; Healeys@autox.team.net
  Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 1:59 PM
  Subject: Re: Ebay BJ8


  In a message dated 3/9/2005 12:11:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
  mother-ship@earthlink.net writes:
  What is the practical purpose of a registry?
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  In my view, numerous and different depending upon the registry.

  For those into restoring their cars to original condition the Concours
  Registry serves to establish--and administer through judging--the standards
for the
  various models.  These standards are determined on the  basis of actual
  observation of change-points, known variations, and a lot of anecdotal
reports of
  owners, etc.  And beyond originality it is also a repository of a lot of
  "correct" information, as for example a recent string about the order of
assembly of
  intake manifold spacers or the like.  Or how about Rich Chrysler's comments
of
  just today concerning the non-original early armrest on the nice late BJ8 on
  Ebay?

  For those into finding out about the history of their cars, some registrars
  (Steve Byers for the BJ8 being the most outstanding example) keep extensive
  databases by car numbers and can, if not under any privacy constraints,
share
  information with present owners about who owned the car earlier, etc. etc.
Steve
  has also documented cars that have been "chopped" and resassembled with
  incorrect numbers, found stolen cars and notified duped buyers and reunited
parts
  on ebay with the present owners of the car to which they originally
belonged.

  I also think that there is a large crossover between the "Concours" purpose
  and the "History" purpose:  Our cars were apparently manufactured in an
  ideosynchratic manner, especially the four-cylinder and earliest
six-cylinder cars,
  and by gathering enough information on notable change-points the
data-gatherers
  help those looking to document the Originality Standards in pinning down
  "what was" as opposed to "how it should have been".

  I'm sure that other listers will have their own contributions on the
topic--I
  think that the Registries in all of their incarnations are valuable
resources
  to us.  Those who toil in this field do so as a labor of love.

  Best--Michael Oritt, 100 Le Mans (NOT one of the 5000 M's remaining of the
  original 640)




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