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Bob,
=20
Thanks again, as always for a great summary. I am a traditionalist at =
heart, so something close to stock =E2=80=9Cperformance=E2=80=9D in that =
regard would be fun. My golf clubs are blades (not game improvement) =
and would probably still play a balata ball if they made it so I could =
work the ball.
=20
My roll cage is in need of replacement, another =
project=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..
=20
Regards,
=20
Mark
=20
=20
=20
From: Robert Lang [mailto:robertlangtr6@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2024 8:33 AM
To: Mark Cook
Cc: fot@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
=20
Hi,
=20
Hopefully not to beat a dead horse...
=20
The "trick" with the TR6 is that the stock pickup location on the TR6 =
trailing arm is further outboard than the pickup for the solid axle =
cars. In short, that's the real "challenge" for IRS Triumphs. Also, the =
stock shock location is transverse to the frame rail... last, the =
trailing arm motion is an arc up and down AND side to side. Hence both =
ends of the shock mount should be heims joints or otherwise be able to =
articulate in two planes of motion.
=20
The Gp 44 solution uses a member of the roll cage as the upper mount for =
a beefy shock and they, most likely out of necessity, reinforced the =
heck out of the mount point on the trailing arm. It's an awesome setup =
from the standpoint of strength and function. They also had Heims joints =
on both ends of the shock body (and springs are in the stock location, =
presumably as required by the rules).
=20
As much fun as it can be to squeeze the rulebook, it can also be fun to =
squeeze it the other way and be as close to stock as possible. IMHO, =
that's what a lot of folks did back in the old days with things like =
Armstrong 22's, etc. The look on some folks' faces when you tell them =
you have a stock suspension setup is "priceless".
=20
I'll add one more suggestion to Mark's quest - Goodparts sells a =
trailing arm shock link that is super strong and works very well in =
conjunction with the uprated Armstrong shocks. I mention this because =
the available shock links from the usual sources use an elastomer that =
breaks down fairly quickly and that translates to having to replace them =
every 4 to 6 events, at least that was my experience. I;ve had the =
Gooparts link on the car for 7+ years and no issues at all.
=20
Summary:
Trialing arm motion is a 2 dimensional arc
Proper bump stops are absolutely critical
Stock shock location is very good using the uprated stock-style shock
Stock shock links suck, upgrade to Goodparts of fabricate your own
MATCH YOUR SHOCK SETTINGS TO YOUR SPRINGS <- SUPER IMPORTANT
=20
Regards,
Bob Lang
=20
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 08:51:45 PM EST, Ponostyle =
<ponobill@gmail.com> wrote:=20
=20
=20
You guys just don=E2=80=99t squeeze the rulebook hard enough. If your =
roll cage is =E2=80=9Cbraced=E2=80=9D by extending from near the top of =
the cage to the rear spring mount or thereabout, you have an ideal place =
to mount a shock that doesn=E2=80=99t depend on a spindly frame. Also =
makes said spindly frame a lot less spindly.
=20
Bill Babcock
Beach Bum
bill@ponostyle.com
https://www.Ponostyle.com
On Jan 31, 2024, at 11:38 AM, Mark Cook via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
=20
Bob and Charly,
=20
Thanks =E2=80=93 It crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage =
with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks. Not =
a lot of support there compared to the original lever shocks. So, with =
your and Charly=E2=80=99s comments, will likely refit with adjustable =
lever shocks for the rear.
=20
Appreciate both your and Mark S=E2=80=99s comments on Delrin/Nylatron =
which is also helpful. =20
=20
Hope to see you at VIR in March/April. Will not be driving, but will be =
up to watch.
=20
Thanks you,
=20
Mark
=20
mailto:robertlangtr6@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
=20
Hi,
=20
Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas =
leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can =
foam which effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or =
plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.
=20
For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie =
your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a =
lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk =
frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, =
but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the =
shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural failure over =
time.
=20
So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get =
<http://nosimport.com/> nosimport.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, =
WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get both a workable, reliable =
setup and it will work without messing up your frame. Unless you do =
stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and break the frame, =
but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long time and =
they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear squat =
when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.
=20
Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. =
You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.
=20
Regards,
Bob Lang
=20
On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot < =
=20
=20
Quick question (maybe?). I am replacing the existing Koni front =
adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784). Bushings are worn out as likely are the =
shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my =E2=80=9969 TR6 =
racecar. I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS. =20
=20
Any preference? Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external =
adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni=E2=80=99s =
every time I need to adjust the suspension.
=20
Using the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will be =
replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings. Have purchased =
Nylatron bushings. Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.
=20
Thanks,
=20
Mark Cook
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bob,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks again, as always for a great summary.=C2=A0 I am a =
traditionalist at heart, so something close to stock =
=E2=80=9Cperformance=E2=80=9D in that regard would be fun.=C2=A0 My golf =
clubs are blades (not game improvement) and would probably still play a =
balata ball if they made it so I could work the =
ball.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>My roll cage is in need of replacement, another =
project=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Robert Lang [mailto:robertlangtr6@yahoo.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, =
February 1, 2024 8:33 AM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Cook<br><b>Cc:</b> =
fot@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - =
TR6 racecar<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'> Hi,=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Hopefully=
not to beat a dead horse...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>The =
"trick" with the TR6 is that the stock pickup location on the =
TR6 trailing arm is further outboard than the pickup for the solid axle =
cars. In short, that's the real "challenge" for IRS Triumphs. =
Also, the stock shock location is transverse to the frame rail... last, =
the trailing arm motion is an arc up and down AND side to side. Hence =
both ends of the shock mount should be heims joints or otherwise be able =
to articulate in two planes of =
motion.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>The Gp =
44 solution uses a member of the roll cage as the upper mount for a =
beefy shock and they, most likely out of necessity, reinforced the heck =
out of the mount point on the trailing arm. It's an awesome setup from =
the standpoint of strength and function. They also had Heims joints on =
both ends of the shock body (and springs are in the stock location, =
presumably as required by the rules).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>As much =
fun as it can be to squeeze the rulebook, it can also be fun to squeeze =
it the other way and be as close to stock as possible. IMHO, that's what =
a lot of folks did back in the old days with things like Armstrong 22's, =
etc. The look on some folks' faces when you tell them you have a stock =
suspension setup is =
"priceless".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>I'll add =
one more suggestion to Mark's quest - Goodparts sells a trailing arm =
shock link that is super strong and works very well in conjunction with =
the uprated Armstrong shocks. I mention this because the available shock =
links from the usual sources use an elastomer that breaks down fairly =
quickly and that translates to having to replace them every 4 to 6 =
events, at least that was my experience. I;ve had the Gooparts link on =
the car for 7+ years and no issues at =
all.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Summary:<=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Trialing =
arm motion is a 2 dimensional arc<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Proper =
bump stops are absolutely critical<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Stock =
shock location is very good using the uprated stock-style =
shock<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Stock =
shock links suck, upgrade to Goodparts of fabricate your =
own<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>MATCH =
YOUR SHOCK SETTINGS TO YOUR SPRINGS <- SUPER =
IMPORTANT<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Regards,<=
o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Bob =
Lang<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydpeef80ce8yahoo_quoted_7385773005"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 08:51:45 PM EST, Ponostyle =
<ponobill@gmail.com> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>You guys just don=E2=80=99t squeeze the rulebook hard enough. If =
your roll cage is =E2=80=9Cbraced=E2=80=9D by extending from near the =
top of the cage to the rear spring mount or thereabout, you have an =
ideal place to mount a shock that doesn=E2=80=99t depend on a spindly =
frame. Also makes said spindly frame a lot less =
spindly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Bill Babcock</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><br><i>Beach Bum</i><br><a href=3D"mailto:bill@ponostyle.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">bill@ponostyle.com</a><br>https://www.Ponostyle.com<o:p=
></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012yqt00076><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>On Jan 31, 2024, at 11:38 AM, Mark Cook via Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div =
id=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012yqt84629><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bob and Charly,</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks =E2=80=93 It crossed my mind about potential rear frame damage =
with the tube shock bracket when I was inspecting the rear shocks. =
Not a lot of support there compared to the original lever shocks. =
So, with your and Charly=E2=80=99s comments, will likely refit with =
adjustable lever shocks for the rear.</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Appreciate both your and Mark S=E2=80=99s comments on Delrin/Nylatron =
which is also helpful. </span></span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Hope to see you at VIR in March/April. Will not be driving, but =
will be up to watch.</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Thanks you,</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Mark</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#26282A=
'>From:</span></b></span><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012apple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#26282A=
'> </span></span><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#26282A=
'>Robert Lang [<a href=3D"mailto:robertlangtr6@yahoo.com"; =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>mailto:robertlangtr6@yahoo.com</span></a>]</span><=
/span><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012apple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#26282A=
'> </span></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#26282A=
'><br><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><b>Sent:</b></span><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012apple-converted-space> </span><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012>Wednesday, January 31, 2024 1:40 =
PM</span><br><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><b>To:</b></span><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012apple-converted-space> </span><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a>; Mark =
Cook</span><br><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><b>Subject:</b></span><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012apple-converted-space> </span><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012>Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 =
racecar</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Hi,</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but =
the gas leaks out and they become "just shocks" and without =
the gas, they can foam which effects the shock efficiency over the =
course of a session. Or plan to replace the Spax every two years, plus =
or minus.</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or =
tie your shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have =
seen a lot of problems with the conversion shock setups out there and =
you risk frame damage running with those shocks. I can write a lot on =
this topic, but unless you can verify the action of the bump stops AND =
secure the shocks via rod ends, I will guarantee frame structural =
failure over time.</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and =
get</span></span><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012apple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'><a href=3D"http://nosimport.com/"; target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>nosimport.com</span></a></span></span><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012apple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>(worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable =
and you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without =
messing up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom =
the suspension and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong =
adjustables for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, =
you can get rid of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car =
handle completely differently.</span></span><span =
style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as =
Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer =
ratings.</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Regards,</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Bob Lang</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><di=
v =
id=3D"ydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yahoo_quoted_6902120541"><div><d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via =
Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:purple'>fot@autox.team.net</span></a>> =
wrote:</span></span><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012apple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div=
id=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3804697143><div><div><p =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Quick question (maybe?). I am replacing the existing =
Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784). Bushings are worn out =
as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on =
my =E2=80=9969 TR6 racecar. I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni =
and MCS. </span></span><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012apple-converted-space><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Any preference? Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the =
external adjuster is appealing compared to having to remove the =
Koni=E2=80=99s every time I need to adjust the =
suspension.</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Using the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will be =
replacing all the front/rear suspension bushings. Have purchased =
Nylatron bushings. Cannot find Delrin products for =
TR6.</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Thanks,</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012ydp518536d1yiv3804697143msonormal><span =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#262=
82A'>Mark Cook</span></span><span style=3D'font-family:"New =
serif","serif";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3Dydpeef80ce8yiv6023840012msonormal =
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