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My guess would be the motor is still good, do a hot compression test first =
though. A leak down test works the same way. As a side not, Ferrari of Atla=
nta does customer repair leak downs cold and car sales hot, what a scam.
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequence=
s"
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u@comcast.net> wrote: =20
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Thanks Ken and Rick,
Yes, test was done cold.=C2=A0
Valve adjustment has been so consistent this year, I skipped a step.=C2=A0
Russ developed the car over nearly 30 years. 8000 rpm capable, but I try to=
avoid temptation=E2=80=A6
Jim
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 29, 2023, at 10:54 AM, Rick Parent <rick.parent@att.net> wrote:
=EF=BB=BFThe numbers are what one would expect doing a cold pressure test. =
If the engine was hot when you did the test I would pull it.
Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequence=
s"
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fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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Thanks Ken and Tony,
Glad to hear the bottom end has more life. Will do a leak down test and be =
asking about Triumph top end rebuilders in New England.=C2=A0
Jim
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 28, 2023, at 7:06 PM, Ken Knight <kknight@klaenv.com> wrote:
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If you can barrow a leak down tester that is still the best tool to assess =
engine health.=C2=A0 I also change oil filters after each race and cut it o=
pen to see what is trapped inside.=C2=A0 =C2=A0A well built TR race motor c=
an easily do double those hours on the bottom end.=C2=A0 In my opinion the =
key to long tern motor health, assuming a good build, is a high quality rac=
e oil.=C2=A0 My choice is Joe Gibbs Driven XP-3 10-30, I have bearings that=
look almost new at 50 hrs. using this oil.=C2=A0 No such thing as =E2=80=
=9Ccheap=E2=80=9D racing oil.=C2=A0 =E2=80=9CNever be beaten by parts=E2=80=
=9D K. Kastner.
=C2=A0
Ken
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Sent from Mail for Windows
=C2=A0
From: James Trudeau via Fot
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2023 2:06 PM
To: fot@autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Race Engine Refreshing Frequency - compression results
=C2=A0
I finished a 9 weekend race/school/track day season that started in April a=
nd finished at Thompson in October with no obvious performance problems. To=
tal of 38 engine hours including warmup, grid, race, cool down.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Did a dry compression test today:
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- 210
- 225
- 195
- 200
=C2=A0
I get some oil blow by at the valve cover cap and maybe some drips from low=
er end seals (not sure if oil starts at valve cover).=C2=A0
=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99m sure I=E2=80=99ll hear a suggestion to do a leak down test and =
/ or wet compression.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Oil filter forensics?
=C2=A0
In the absence of obvious issues, how much of a tear down is warranted?=C2=
=A0
=C2=A0
Jim
Sent from my iPhone
=C2=A0
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is still good, do a hot compression test first though. A leak down test wor=
ks the same way. As a side not, Ferrari of Atlanta does customer repair lea=
k downs cold and car sales hot, what a scam.</div><div><br></div><div class=
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v><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Yes, test was done cold. </div><div><b=
r clear=3D"none"></div><div>Valve adjustment has been so consistent this ye=
ar, I skipped a step. </div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Russ de=
veloped the car over nearly 30 years. 8000 rpm capable, but I try to avoid =
temptation=E2=80=A6</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Jim<br clear=3D=
"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr"><div id=3D"yiv0224535767yqtfd26359" class=3D"yiv0224535767yqt0329=
565893"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 29, 2023, at 10=
:54 AM, Rick Parent <rick.parent@att.net> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><b=
r clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"yiv0224535767yqtfd0725=
7" class=3D"yiv0224535767yqt0329565893"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=
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l, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" class=3D"yiv0224535767ydpfc6f8010yahoo-style=
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l it.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv0224535767ydpfc6f=
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"none"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">"<i>Doing the right thing is always the right=
thing, regardless of consequences</i>"</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"=
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On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 07:37:22 AM MST, James T=
rudeau via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div><div id=3D"yiv0224535767"><div>Thanks Ken and Tony,<di=
v><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Glad to hear the bottom end has more life. =
Will do a leak down test and be asking about Triumph top end rebuilders in =
New England. </div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Jim<br clear=3D"=
none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 28, 2023, at 7=
:06 PM, Ken Knight <kknight@klaenv.com> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br =
clear=3D"none"></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">=EF=BB=BF<style>#yiv0224535767 filtered {}
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ordSection1"><p class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal">If you can barrow a leak d=
own tester that is still the best tool to assess engine health. I als=
o change oil filters after each race and cut it open to see what is trapped=
inside. A well built TR race motor can easily do double those =
hours on the bottom end. In my opinion the key to long tern motor hea=
lth, assuming a good build, is a high quality race oil. My choice is =
Joe Gibbs Driven XP-3 10-30, I have bearings that look almost new at 50 hrs=
. using this oil. No such thing as =E2=80=9Ccheap=E2=80=9D racing oil=
. =E2=80=9CNever be beaten by parts=E2=80=9D K. Kastner.</p><p class=
=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal">=
Ken</p><p class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"yiv022453=
5767MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal"> </p><p=
class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal">Sent from <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener nor=
eferrer" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/=
fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986">Mail</a> for Windows</p><p class=3D"yiv0224535767M=
soNormal"> </p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0=
pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p style=3D"border:none;padding:0in;" class=
=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener norefe=
rrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>James Trudeau via Fot</a><br clear=3D"=
none"><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, October 28, 2023 2:06 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>=
To: </b><a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.n=
et">fot@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject: </b>[Fot] Race Eng=
ine Refreshing Frequency - compression results</p></div><p class=3D"yiv0224=
535767MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal">I finished =
a 9 weekend race/school/track day season that started in April and finished=
at Thompson in October with no obvious performance problems. Total of 38 e=
ngine hours including warmup, grid, race, cool down. </p><div><p class=
=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv0224535767=
MsoNormal">Did a dry compression test today:</p></div><div><ol style=3D"mar=
gin-top:0in;" start=3D"1" type=3D"1"><li style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bot=
tom:0in;font-stretch:normal;" class=3D"yiv0224535767li1"><span class=3D"yiv=
0224535767s1">210</span></li><li style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;=
font-stretch:normal;" class=3D"yiv0224535767li1"><span class=3D"yiv02245357=
67s1">225</span></li><li style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;font-str=
etch:normal;" class=3D"yiv0224535767li1"><span class=3D"yiv0224535767s1">19=
5</span></li><li style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;font-stretch:nor=
mal;" class=3D"yiv0224535767li1"><span class=3D"yiv0224535767s1">200</span>=
</li></ol><div><p class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p=
class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal">I get some oil blow by at the valve cover=
cap and maybe some drips from lower end seals (not sure if oil starts at v=
alve cover). </p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal">  =
;</p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m sure I=E2=
=80=99ll hear a suggestion to do a leak down test and / or wet compression.=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal"> </p></div><=
div><p class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal">Oil filter forensics?</p></div><div=
><p class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv0=
224535767MsoNormal">In the absence of obvious issues, how much of a tear do=
wn is warranted? </p></div><div><p class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal"> &=
nbsp;</p></div><div><p style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;" class=3D"yiv02245357=
67MsoNormal">Jim</p></div></div><p class=3D"yiv0224535767MsoNormal">Sent fr=
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