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When I have something powder coated that has female threads in it, I screw=
a bolt into the threads before powder coating.=C2=A0 Protects the threads.
Jack
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 10:17:07 PM EDT, Larry Young via Fot <=
fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
It is worse than just an allergic reaction, isocynates are a carcinogen a=
nd are not trapped by a=C2=A0 normal respirator. That is why a supplied air=
respirator is recommended. I've got one I'm trying to sell if anyone is in=
terested.
=20
I think I've used everything that has been recommended. I did powder coat =
on one project and decided I don't like it because it is so thick, e.g. any=
threads that get powder coated will have to be chased. If you want a satin=
finish, I'd just use epoxy primer. I also like polyurethanes (Dupont Imron=
or PPG Durethane) if you want a glossy finish. Those products are no longe=
r available, but there are other polyurethane enamels.
=C2=A0- Larry Young
=20
On 9/29/2023 8:36 AM, fubog1 via Fot wrote:
=20
=20
This is good advice!!!
I almost killed myself with I think Dupont Chroma 1 or some such in 97, s=
till get a reaction when I get a whiff of it. Now I use a 3M PAPR, even whe=
n mixing & cleaning up. And of course y'all know that no mask/filter system=
will work if one has a lot of facial hair...=20
Glen Efinger
=20
On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 01:36:56 AM EDT, Joe Boruch via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
Most of the two part urethane paints are hazardous like Imron.=C2=A0 =
The hardener is isocyanate, which can cause severe allergic reactions when =
inhaled.=C2=A0 Once allergic to it, a person can react to it with every exp=
osure.=C2=A0 Isocyanate is the chemical that was responsible for the deaths=
in the Bopal, India chemical disaster many years ago.=C2=A0 Be sure to use=
a good tight fitting cartridge respirator when spraying these urethanes, b=
ut I think most safety instructions say to use a supplied air respirator.=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=20
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 07:23:56 PM EDT, Jack Wheeler via=
Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
Hi Joe.=C2=A0 When I bought the Imron for my car in 1980, the guy wou=
ldn't sell it to me unless I also bought the respirator he recommended!=C2=
=A0 Strong stuff.=20
Jack
=20
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 11:33:26 AM EDT, Joe Alexander <j=
oealexandervintage@gmail.com> wrote: =20
=20
In the 70s we were painting John Deere Tractors in DuPont Imron. What w=
asn=E2=80=99t done by robots was done by painters in HazMat Suits.
=20
Joe Alexander 4505 Donald Dr Cedar Falls, IA 50613 The-vintage-racer.com G=
asketinnovations.com Cell: =C2=A0319.464.4711=20
=20
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On Sep 28, 2023, at 10:29 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:
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=EF=BB=BF I don't know if it is even still available, but years ago I pa=
inted the frame on my race car with Dupont Imron.=C2=A0 It was the most dur=
able paint available at the time, and my experience reflected that.=C2=A0 T=
he stuff is very toxic, so you must use a very good respirator.=20
Jack
=20
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 02:28:28 AM EDT, Tony Drews via Fo=
t <fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
=20
Grey will show cracks better than black.=C2=A0 POR is the first thing that =
came to mind for me, but it's been YEARS since I used it.
=20
Cheers, Tony
=20
On 9/27/2023 10:21 PM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:
=20
=20
I'd suggest POR 15.=C2=A0 Depending on the color, the number changes.=
=C2=A0 I think 15 is black.=C2=A0 Gray is something else, maybe 10.=C2=A0 S=
pray or brush on.=C2=A0 I've used Rustoleum as the touchup rattle spray can=
s are perfectly matched to the quart cans, and you can get it just about an=
ywhere.=C2=A0 POR products might be a little more durable than Rustoleum.=
=C2=A0 If the frame is bare metal, an epoxy primer is a good start, but wit=
h POR I "think" you can skip the primer.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dave H.=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 On 09/27/2023 5:55 PM PDT McKearn McKearn via Fot <fot@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi All.=20
=C2=A0 It's been a long time since I've painted a frame and I'm just wond=
ering what the latest / greatest thing to use is for a race car frame ? It'=
s already=C2=A0sand blasted if that matters.. =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks.=C2=A0 =
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<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">When I have something powder=
coated that has female threads in it, I screw a bolt into the threads befo=
re powder coating. Protects the threads.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Jack<br></=
div><div><br></div>
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ans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 10:17:07 PM EDT, Larry=
Young via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401"><div>
It is worse than just an allergic reaction, isocynates are a
carcinogen and are not trapped by a normal respirator. That is wh=
y
a supplied air respirator is recommended. I've got one I'm trying to
sell if anyone is interested.<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
I think I've used everything that has been recommended. I did powder
coat on one project and decided I don't like it because it is so
thick, e.g. any threads that get powder coated will have to be
chased. If you want a satin finish, I'd just use epoxy primer. I
also like polyurethanes (Dupont Imron or PPG Durethane) if you want
a glossy finish. Those products are no longer available, but there
are other polyurethane enamels.<br clear=3D"none">
- Larry Young<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div id=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401yqtfd12922" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6=
256495401yqt4957910722"><div class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401moz-cite-pref=
ix">On 9/29/2023 8:36 AM, fubog1 via Fot
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
</blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401yqtfd2040=
8" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401yqt4957910722"></div><div><div id=3D"yd=
pbb0c60d5yiv6256495401yqtfd63353" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401yqt49579=
10722"><div style=3D"font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16p=
x;" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydpa12804beyahoo-style-wrap">
<div dir=3D"ltr">This is good advice!!!<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I almost killed myself with I
think Dupont Chroma 1 or some such in 97, still get a reaction
when I get a whiff of it.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Now I use a 3M PAPR, even
when mixing & cleaning up.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">And of course y'all know that
no mask/filter system will work if one has a lot of facial
hair...</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Glen Efinger<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
</div>
<div id=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydp930d2641yahoo_quoted_6637559857=
" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydp930d2641yahoo_quoted">
<div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-=
serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
<div> On Friday, September 29, 2023 at 01:36:56 AM EDT, Joe
Boruch via Fot <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.=
net" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel=3D"nofollo=
w" target=3D"_blank"><fot@autox.team.net></a> wrote: </div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
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sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydp930d2641yi=
v5943335626ydp183ed478yahoo-style-wrap">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Most of the two part urethane paints
are hazardous like Imron. The hardener is
isocyanate, which can cause severe allergic
reactions when inhaled. Once allergic to it, a
person can react to it with every exposure.
Isocyanate is the chemical that was responsible for
the deaths in the Bopal, India chemical disaster
many years ago. Be sure to use a good tight fitti=
ng
cartridge respirator when spraying these urethanes,
but I think most safety instructions say to use a
supplied air respirator. </div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
</div>
<div id=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626=
ydp1a7a32ddyahoo_quoted_6803426452" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydp930=
d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyahoo_quoted">
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ial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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5626yqt02947" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626yqt5=
994340829">
<div> On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 07:23:56
PM EDT, Jack Wheeler via Fot
<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net=
" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank"><fot@autox.team.net></a> wrote: </div>
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43335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227">
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tica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401y=
dp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydpb2b44d22yahoo-style-wrap"=
>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Joe. When I bought =
the
Imron for my car in 1980, the guy
wouldn't sell it to me unless I also
bought the respirator he recommended!
Strong stuff.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
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iv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227yqt47801" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv625649=
5401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227yqt6555711344">
<div id=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydp930d264=
1yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyahoo_quoted_6056596275" c=
lass=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv59350=
07227ydp9eeb879fyahoo_quoted">
<div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica =
Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px;color:#26282a;">
<div> On Thursday, September 28, 2023
at 11:33:26 AM EDT, Joe Alexander
<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:joeale=
xandervintage@gmail.com" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401moz-txt-link-rfc2=
396E" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><joealexandervintage@gmail.com&=
gt;</a>
wrote: </div>
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<div>
<div id=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydp9=
30d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890">
<div>In the 70s we were painting
John Deere Tractors in DuPont
Imron. What wasn=E2=80=99t done by
robots was done by painters in
HazMat Suits.<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Joe Alexander
<div>4505 Donald Dr</div>
<div>Cedar Falls, IA 50613</div>
<div>The-vintage-racer.com</div>
<div>Gasketinnovations.com</div>
<div>Cell: 319.464.4711</di=
v>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
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</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div id=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv62564954=
01ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890y=
qtfd60849" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a=
32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890yqt6306304293"><br clear=3D"none">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On
Sep 28, 2023, at 10:29 AM,
Jack Wheeler via Fot
<a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mai=
lto:fot@autox.team.net" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401moz-txt-link-rfc23=
96E" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><fot@autox.team.net></a>
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<div id=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv625649=
5401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv257732089=
0yqtfd04871" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a=
7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890yqt6306304293">=EF=BB=BF
<div style=3D"font-family:Hel=
vetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" class=3D"ydpbb0c=
60d5yiv6256495401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879=
fyiv2577320890ydpba2ca5ebyahoo-style-wrap">
<div dir=3D"ltr">I don't
know if it is even
still available, but
years ago I painted
the frame on my race
car with Dupont
Imron. It was the
most durable paint
available at the time,
and my experience
reflected that. The
stuff is very toxic,
so you must use a very
good respirator.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=
=3D"none">
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Jack<br cl=
ear=3D"none">
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495401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320=
890ydpc738254eyahoo_quoted_6378525148" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydp=
930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc73=
8254eyahoo_quoted">
<div style=3D"font-family:'=
Helvetica Neue', Helvetic=
a, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
<div> On Thursday,
September 28, 2023
at 02:28:28 AM EDT,
Tony Drews via Fot
<a shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401moz-txt-lin=
k-rfc2396E" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank"><fot@autox.team.net></=
a>
wrote: </div>
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<div id=3D"ydpbb0c60d5y=
iv6256495401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv2=
577320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046">
<div>
<p>Grey will
show cracks
better than
black. POR =
is
the first
thing that
came to mind
for me, but
it's been
YEARS since I
used it.</p>
<p>Cheers, Tony<br =
clear=3D"none">
</p>
<div id=3D"ydpbb0c6=
0d5yiv6256495401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879f=
yiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046yqtfd35055" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv625=
6495401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv257732=
0890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046yqt9936172975">
<div class=3D"ydp=
bb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9ee=
b879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046moz-cite-prefix">On
9/27/2023
10:21 PM, DAVE
HOGYE via Fot
wrote:<br clear=
=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote type=
=3D"cite"> </blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div id=3D"ydpbb0c6=
0d5yiv6256495401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879f=
yiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046yqtfd17211" class=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv625=
6495401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv5935007227ydp9eeb879fyiv257732=
0890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046yqt9936172975">
<div style=3D"fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;">
<span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">I'd
suggest POR
15. Dependi=
ng
on the color,
the number
changes. I
think 15 is
black. Gray
is something
else, maybe
10. Spray o=
r
brush on.
I've used
Rustoleum as
the touchup
rattle spray
cans are
perfectly
matched to the
quart cans,
and you can
get it just
about
anywhere. P=
OR
products might
be a little
more durable
than
Rustoleum. =
If
the frame is
bare metal, an
epoxy primer
is a good
start, but
with POR I
"think" you
can skip the
primer. &nbs=
p;</span>
</div>
<div style=3D"fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;color:#333333;" class=
=3D"ydpbb0c60d5yiv6256495401ydp930d2641yiv5943335626ydp1a7a32ddyiv593500722=
7ydp9eeb879fyiv2577320890ydpc738254eyiv2026604046default-style">
<span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:helvetica;font-size:12pt;">Dave
H. </s=
pan> </div>
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Hi All. <br clear=
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<div> It's
been a long
time since
I've painted a
frame and I'm
just wondering
what the
latest /
greatest thing
to use is for
a race car
frame ? It's
already sand
blasted if
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