Iâ??m with Chuck, letâ??s have it at the Mitty. Great idea, Chuck!
Don
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> 1. New Triumph racer (Mike Harmuth)
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> 3. Re: New Triumph racer (Erik Jacobsen)
> 4. Turning 3D printed parts into polished aluminum with sand
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> 5. Re: Turning 3D printed parts into polished aluminum with sand
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> 6. Kastner Cup. (Ronnie Babbitt)
> 7. Re: Kastner Cup. (Brad Eells)
> 8. Re: Kastner Cup. (chasgee22@gmail.com)
> 9. Re: Kastner Cup. (Terry Sopher)
> 10. Re: Kastner Cup. at Rd Atl (Mike Jackson)
> 11. Re: Kastner Cup. (Ronnie Babbitt)
> 12. Re: Kastner Cup. (yellow04)
> 13. Re: Kastner Cup. (Jason Sukey)
> 14. Re: Kastner Cup. (marty sukey)
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> 17. Re: Kastner Cup. (Brian Dolan)
> 18. P8 John Frymark (Shawn Frank)
> 19. Re: Kastner Cup. (Michael Deweerd)
> 20. What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner Cups?
> Festival or club events? (yellow04)
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> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 16:27:11 -0400
> From: Mike Harmuth <ofracer@gmail.com>
> To: FoTTriumph <fot@autox.team.net>, Cole Keeler
> <coledkeeler@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Fot] New Triumph racer
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> I'd like to have Cole Keeler added to the list. A new Spitfire owner from
> Wooster, Mass (Dave Gott, he's a regular at the Devins autocross events),
> he's converting the car to first autocross and eventually Road Racing (once
> he's out of college). He's asking all the right questions and doing his
> research as the project evolves. I couldn't think of a better resource for
> him than the old farts here.
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> Thanks
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> mike h
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> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 15:31:13 -0600
> From: Mark Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>
> To: fot@autox.team.net
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>> On 7/25/23 2:27 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote:
>> I'd like to have Cole Keeler added to the list.
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> I made it so. Welcome, Cole!
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> mjb.
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> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 21:37:06 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Erik Jacobsen <kekjacobsen@yahoo.com>
> To: Mark Bradakis <mark@bradakis.com>, Mark Bradakis via Fot
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> Welcome Cole!
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>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 4:34 PM, Mark Bradakis via Fot<fot@autox.team.net>
>> wrote: On 7/25/23 2:27 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot wrote:
>> I'd like to have Cole Keeler added to the list.
>
> I made it so.? Welcome, Cole!
>
> mjb.
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> ?Just sharing as it might be of interest to someone?. ?Justin
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> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZwP6AO0Wh18
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> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 19:13:19 -0500
> From: Ken Gano <1959triumphtr3a@gmail.com>
> To: J Wagner <4msonset@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Fot] Turning 3D printed parts into polished aluminum
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> Cool!
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> Kg
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>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 5:42 PM, J Wagner via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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>> ?Just sharing as it might be of interest to someone?. ?Justin
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZwP6AO0Wh18
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> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:16:07 -0400
> From: Ronnie Babbitt <ronnie.babbitt@icloud.com>
> To: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During
> the Mitty.
>
> Ronnie
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> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 19:28:25 -0700
> From: Brad Eells <tr4abrad@gmail.com>
> To: Ronnie Babbitt <ronnie.babbitt@icloud.com>
> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> That would be fun.
>
> The Spitfire made 3 consecutive appearances in the ARRC, 1971-73. All DNF?
>
> Would be fun to get it back there and see a checkered flag.
>
> Brad Eells
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>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 7:20 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During
>> the Mitty.
>>
>> Ronnie
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> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:21:22 -0500
> From: chasgee22@gmail.com
> To: Ronnie Babbitt <ronnie.babbitt@icloud.com>
> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>
> Chuck
>
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During
>> the Mitty.
>>
>> Ronnie
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 06:40:18 +0200
> From: Terry Sopher <terrysopher@gmail.com>
> To: Ronnie Babbitt <ronnie.babbitt@icloud.com>
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> That would be great!
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>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 04:20, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During
>> the Mitty.
>>
>> Ronnie
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 11:03:06 +0000
> From: Mike Jackson <grandwazoo@earthlink.net>
> To: chasgee22@gmail.com, Ronnie Babbitt <ronnie.babbitt@icloud.com>
> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup. at Rd Atl
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> sort of depends upon whether the KCup must be at a huge public event.
> smaller organizations such as VDCA have much smaller events at some nice race
> tracks.
> VDCA is at Rd Atl in November and our event is normally under subscribed and
> we search for partner groups to help pay the bills.
>
> Mike Jackson - VDCA Race Director
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> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
>
> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>
> Chuck
>
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>
>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta During
>> the Mitty.
>>
>> Ronnie
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:21:40 -0400
> From: Ronnie Babbitt <ronnie.babbitt@icloud.com>
> To: chasgee22@gmail.com
> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very well.
> The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran at Road
> Atlanta.
>
> Ronnie
>
>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>> During the Mitty.
>>>
>>> Ronnie
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 11:31:23 -0400
> From: yellow04 <yellow04@tr4racer.com>
> To: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
> as follows:
>
> Festival Events
>
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
> a wide variety of media.
>
> ~
>
> Club Events
>
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
> exposure from the normal sources.
>
> ~
>
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>
> Cheers
>
> Henry Frye
>
>
>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>> at Road Atlanta.
>>
>> Ronnie
>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>>> During the Mitty.
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:15:13 -0400
> From: Jason Sukey <jsukey@gmail.com>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04@tr4racer.com>
> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> A vote for the "club" type events!
>
> Although the spectator experience at the big time events can't be beat,
> being a driver at a big festival event doesn't do anything for me. For my
> vintage racing approach, I prefer the low key events.
>
>
> Keep it simple, keep it fun, keep it accessible.
>
> Jason Sukey
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 11:59?AM yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
>> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
>> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>>
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
>> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
>> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
>> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
>> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
>> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
>> as follows:
>>
>> Festival Events
>>
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
>> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
>> of incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
>> with the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
>> a wide variety of media.
>>
>> ~
>>
>> Club Events
>>
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
>> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
>> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
>> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
>> exposure from the normal sources.
>>
>> ~
>>
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
>> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
>> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
>> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
>> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
>> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
>> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>>
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
>> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>>
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
>> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Henry Frye
>>
>>
>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>>
>>> Ronnie
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>>>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>>>> During the Mitty.
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> From: marty sukey <trmarty@hotmail.com>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04@tr4racer.com>, "fot@autox.team.net"
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> Club events for me.
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> Marty
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> Date: 7/26/23 12:13 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
>
> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
> as follows:
>
> Festival Events
>
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
> a wide variety of media.
>
> ~
>
> Club Events
>
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
> exposure from the normal sources.
>
> ~
>
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>
> Cheers
>
> Henry Frye
>
>
>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>> at Road Atlanta.
>>
>> Ronnie
>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>>> During the Mitty.
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 09:30:39 -0700
> From: Brad Eells <tr4abrad@gmail.com>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04@tr4racer.com>
> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> HSR also has a Fall event the 3rd week of September.
>
> Brad Eells
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 9:03 AM, yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers
>> want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the
>> smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>>
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
>> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We
>> get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we
>> don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against
>> other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the
>> differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>>
>> Festival Events
>>
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide
>> variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of
>> incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with
>> the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a
>> wide variety of media.
>>
>> ~
>>
>> Club Events
>>
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
>> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually
>> have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys
>> with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure
>> from the normal sources.
>>
>> ~
>>
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest
>> draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles
>> raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and
>> good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this
>> general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event
>> where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers
>> with very long tows.
>>
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future
>> Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>>
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at?
>> That would be helpful information as well!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Henry Frye
>>
>>
>>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>> Ronnie
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>> Chuck
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>>>> During the Mitty.
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> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:31:24 -0400
> From: Mike Harmuth <ofracer@gmail.com>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04@tr4racer.com>
> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> I can get us an unmuffled, club type race, Fri-Sat, date at Lime Rock with
> the Historic Race Group and VSCCA . Our normal weekend is the Friday after
> Memorial Day. With this event, if we get 25 cars, we should be able to bump
> one of the two track day groups that also run there and have 3, 20 minute,
> Triumph only sessions, per day. We rent the track, unlimited free admission
> for friends and family.
>
> Plan B, not as assured, would be at the Lime Rock Fall Festival over Labor
> Day weekend. 3 days of track time with a pause (and car show) on Sunday
> because we can't race there on Sundays. Bonus for this, the SVRA vintage
> festival at Watkins Glen (~ 5 hour tow) is the next weekend. Downside,
> festival event event, probably sharing track time with 10 groups, more
> (~30-40%)expensive entry fee. Hotels fill up rtc.
>
> Just putting this out there as we look into the future.
>
> mike h
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> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:16?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
>> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
>> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>>
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
>> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
>> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
>> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
>> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
>> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
>> as follows:
>>
>> Festival Events
>>
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
>> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
>> of incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
>> with the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
>> a wide variety of media.
>>
>> ~
>>
>> Club Events
>>
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
>> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
>> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
>> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
>> exposure from the normal sources.
>>
>> ~
>>
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
>> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
>> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
>> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
>> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
>> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
>> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>>
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
>> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>>
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
>> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Henry Frye
>>
>>
>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>>
>>> Ronnie
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>>>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>>>> During the Mitty.
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:43:05 -0400
> From: Brian Dolan <bdolan1776@gmail.com>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04@tr4racer.com>
> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> I am biased. Age 40. Many kids. Work. You know the drill.
>
> I choose my limited race weekends in this order
> - track distance from home (closer is best)
> - event (historical event?, quality, organizer)
> - combination (I?ll fly or drive for something special)
>
> I end up at Pitt Race a lot because it?s stupid close for me and a great
> track.
>
> I go back to VIR, Summit Point, Road America and Mid Ohio because they are
> sometimes the right mix for schedule and attractiveness.
>
> I think Kastner Cup is best of regularly on the largest stage possible to
> try to demonstrate the vintage racing quality we all bring to the table and
> introduce Kastner Cup to new audiences.
>
> And sometimes having it on smaller stages is more fun for us.
>
> So, I?d choose to do it in a semi regular pattern.
> One year big stage.
> One year medium/smaller stage.
> That kind of mentality.
>
> Bringing 40 cars to an event is no joke. Organizers respect that.
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:16 PM yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
>> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
>> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>>
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
>> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
>> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
>> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
>> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
>> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
>> as follows:
>>
>> Festival Events
>>
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
>> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
>> of incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
>> with the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
>> a wide variety of media.
>>
>> ~
>>
>> Club Events
>>
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
>> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
>> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
>> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
>> exposure from the normal sources.
>>
>> ~
>>
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
>> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
>> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
>> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
>> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
>> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
>> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>>
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
>> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>>
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
>> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Henry Frye
>>
>>
>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>>
>>> Ronnie
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>>>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>>>> During the Mitty.
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 11:48:57 -0500
> From: Shawn Frank <continuedlegacy1@gmail.com>
> To: Friends of Triumph <FOT@autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] P8 John Frymark
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> Below is a link to my coverage of P8 John Frymark during the Kastner Cup
> 2023 from my Facebook page, North American Triumphs
>
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> Shawn Frank
> The Vintage Triumph Magazine - Editor VTR #94692
> North American Triumphs (FKA Spitfire & GT6 Magazine) - Owner
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:01:39 -0400
> From: Michael Deweerd <michaelndeweerd@gmail.com>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04@tr4racer.com>
> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> Henry,
> I'm all for running Mosport again as a Cup Race. We traditionally have a
> grid of MG vs Triumph plus we will get our own race grid. and we have the
> typical run groups so lots of track time on a fast track.
> It would be REALLY COOL to return to Canadian Tire Motorsports Park
> (MOSPORT) on a 25th anniversary year. (that would be in 2028)
> I believe Mosport was the "Official" 1st Kastner Cup race so returning
> there in 2028 would be super cool as an Anniversary Race, (Lots of PR for
> that)
>
> Personally I like the smaller tracks that are better suited to our cars so
> Club events are favoured at the "smaller" racetracks, Don't get me wrong,
> Road America was fantastic! A top notch facility and very nice to run on
> track.
> but it wasn't the best value vs track time, value vs experience YES! (I
> had a fantastic time there with no regrets at all).
>
> Is the VRG event at the Glen in September too late in the year? (big track
> I know).
>
> We will travel within reason to the Cup regardless, in the middle America
> region and to the east coast regions. It is the pinnacle of my year to race
> at the Kastner Cup.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
>> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
>> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>>
>> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
>> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
>> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
>> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
>> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
>> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
>> as follows:
>>
>> Festival Events
>>
>> Typically higher entrance fees.
>> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
>> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
>> of incidents, shortening sessions.
>> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
>> with the packed schedule.
>> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
>> a wide variety of media.
>>
>> ~
>>
>> Club Events
>>
>> Typically lower entrance fees.
>> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
>> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
>> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
>> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
>> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
>> exposure from the normal sources.
>>
>> ~
>>
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
>> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
>> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
>> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
>> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
>> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
>> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>>
>> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
>> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>>
>> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
>> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Henry Frye
>>
>>
>>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>>> at Road Atlanta.
>>>
>>> Ronnie
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>>>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>>>> During the Mitty.
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> From: yellow04 <yellow04@tr4racer.com>
> To: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] What kind of event do you prefer for future Kastner
> Cups? Festival or club events?
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> I meant to change the subject line of this post, sorry for the repeat.
>
> We are not really looking for suggestions on specific events, we are
> trying to get a feel for what kind of event the Triumph racers would
> prefer to run future Kastner Cup events, big festival events or more
> intimate club events. Brian Dolan's reply was spot on, thanks Brian!
>
> Plus, if somebody feels strongly about us going to a specific
> (bucketlist?) track, by all means toss that out here too! For example, I
> would love to get back to Road Atlanta.
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 12:06?PM yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote: This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event
> we
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
> as follows:
>
> Festival Events
>
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
> a wide variety of media.
>
> ~
>
> Club Events
>
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
>
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
> exposure from the normal sources.
>
> ~
>
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
>
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>
> Cheers
>
> Henry Frye
>
>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>> I suppose it wouldn't have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>> at Road Atlanta.
>>
>> Ronnie
>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>>> during the Mitty.
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:27:38 +0000
> From: "John H. Hasty" <jhasty@mhc-law.com>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04@tr4racer.com>, "fot@autox.team.net"
> <fot@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> Henry: One other thing that is important, at least to me, is the Track. The
> quality of the track makes a big difference, I would think, especially for
> those who are facing a long, long tow. If we are speaking of club type
> events at southeastern venues, Road Atlanta or VIR far outweigh other venues
> which are often used by club event organizers such as VDCA & VRG. These
> clubs jointly stage an event at VIR in April each year which would suit the
> bill. Whether a two day November event at Road Atlanta, as Mike Jackson
> suggests be given consideration, could be expanded to a three day event, and
> whether November is too late in the season are questions I can't answer.
> Thus Spake Zarathustra.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of yellow04 via Fot
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2023 11:31 AM
> To: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
>
> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we racers
> want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options are the
> smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of event. We
> get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check out cars we
> don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our cars run against
> other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the fun. However, the
> differences I see between the two types of events are as follows:
>
> Festival Events
>
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a wide
> variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility of
> incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility with
> the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from a
> wide variety of media.
>
> ~
>
> Club Events
>
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't usually
> have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted by guys with
> big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good exposure
> from the normal sources.
>
> ~
>
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest
> draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles
> raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is all fine and
> good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer friends share this
> general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the success of the 2023 event
> where we had strong numbers in general, and very strong numbers for racers
> with very long tows.
>
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer future
> Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run at?
> That would be helpful information as well!
>
> Cheers
>
> Henry Frye
>
>
>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>> at Road Atlanta.
>>
>> Ronnie
>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road
>>>> Atlanta During the Mitty.
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> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:30:37 -0400
> From: Finishing Touch <fintouch@ptd.net>
> To: yellow04 <yellow04@tr4racer.com>
> Cc: fot@autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> I?ll vote for maximum track time, and suggest Summit Point for a future
> event.
> Mike
> Yellow #51 TR6
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 12:11 PM, yellow04 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> ~
>>
>> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the biggest
>> draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated track miles
>> raced vs the entry fees. Racing
>
>
>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 17:59:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Erik Jacobsen <kekjacobsen@yahoo.com>
> To: "fot@autox.team.net" <fot@autox.team.net>, yellow04
> <yellow04@tr4racer.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup.
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> My wife and I both feel that the smaller "club level" events are more fun to
> race at and typically give more of the vintage feel and companionship that we
> find so fun about racing vintage cars. The Eagles Canyon and the Blackhawk
> Kastner were really great, with good, vintage appropriate feel and plenty of
> track time. Portland was somewhere in the middle. SVRA is much more geared
> towards providing for the T/A and F4 series, with vintage being sort-of an
> "also-ran". Track time was decent, but not as good as Blackhawk or
> Eagles.?The RA event is a bit of an exception for us as we live here and the
> parade on Friday night is, quite frankly the "main event" of the race
> weekend. Having the Kastner Cup at this year's event was just icing on the
> cake. That being said, the track time was pretty limited, and even though
> group 2 and the Cup kept things clean and had very little time lost to
> yellows, that isn't common for events with packed schedules. I think the
> Can-Am race Sunday only had one g
> reen lap before things went pear shaped in 14. I suspect the Watkins Glen
> race and parade are a similar deal.?The costs are also another consideration,
> but not as big a one to my thinking, since none of us got into racing because
> it was inexpensive.?
> Cheers!Jake and Karen Jacobsen
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 11:03:00 AM CDT, yellow04 via Fot
> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> This seems like a good time to get a feel for the kind of event we
> racers want to run our future Kastner Cups with. The two main options
> are the smaller club events, or the big festival events.
>
> Having competed at several Kastner Cup events, I can say there are many
> aspects of the weekend that are the same regardless of the type of
> event. We get to meet and mingle with new racers and old friends, check
> out cars we don't typically run with, and get some insight on how our
> cars run against other Triumphs. All the great stuff that makes up the
> fun. However, the differences I see between the two types of events are
> as follows:
>
> Festival Events
>
> Typically higher entrance fees.
> Less track time because the sanctioning body loads the schedule with a
> wide variety of race groups. With more cars, the higher the possibility
> of incidents, shortening sessions.
> Organizers have less negotiating power as there is little flexibility
> with the packed schedule.
> Possibly more exposure to the Marque and vintage racing in general from
> a wide variety of media.
>
> ~
>
> Club Events
>
> Typically lower entrance fees.
> More track time, more flexibility in negotiating perks like our own run
> group, a second All Triumph (Reunion) Race, etc. Club events don't
> usually have run groups of 5 year old former NASCAR racers being piloted
> by guys with big checkbooks and limited experience.
> Limited media exposure compared to a major festival event, but good
> exposure from the normal sources.
>
> ~
>
> I'll start. I'm all about driving the car. To me, track time is the
> biggest draw for an event. I also look at the value, the anticipated
> track miles raced vs the entry fees. Racing in front of 10,000 people is
> all fine and good, but not a draw for me at all. Many of my racer
> friends share this general opinion with me, but we can't ignore the
> success of the 2023 event where we had strong numbers in general, and
> very strong numbers for racers with very long tows.
>
> Can we get an idea of what type of events active racers would prefer
> future Kastner Cup events to be held? Festival events or Club events?
>
> While we are at it, is there any track somebody has a hankering to run
> at? That would be helpful information as well!
>
> Cheers
>
> Henry Frye
>
>
>> On 2023-07-26 09:21, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot wrote:
>> I suppose it wouldn?t have to be. However the Mitty is attended very
>> well. The track has had many improvements since the KCup was last ran
>> at Road Atlanta.
>>
>> Ronnie
>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 11:21 PM, chasgee22@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Would it have to be at the Mitty?
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Ronnie Babbitt via Fot
>>>> <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Is there any consideration to bringing the KCUP back to Road Atlanta
>>>> During the Mitty.
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