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To: Larry Young <cartravel@pobox.com>, FOT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cam, etc...
From: Rick Parent via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2023 18:16:10 +0000 (UTC)
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Greetings friends!
This may be of some interest for those looking for an edge in their racing =
program. I have been researching and designing my own cam for 30 years and =
even wrote my own cam design program to no avail. I have been using this pr=
ogram for the last 4 years and now its available to the public so cheap its=
 disturbing considering the thousands of dollars I have spent on software a=
nd blowing through close to 50 trial and error cams, 30 of them where on ne=
w cam blanks.
This program has taken my engines to another level and will give you all th=
e info you need for designing new engines or working with the parts you hav=
e but the best part is it will give you an s96 file to send to the cam grin=
der or you can make a master for a manual cam grinder. The s96 lob design i=
s yours, you own it and is not what the expert on the other end of the phon=
e thinks you should have.
Its all math and no guesswork. Cam companies have giant data bases for comm=
on motors and can get pretty close based on dyno data collected over 6-7 de=
cades. For anything other than Ford and Chevy we are pretty much on our own=
.
Normally I would not share this kind of info but Rick Jones and I have beco=
me friends over the years and I just want to help him out, there is nothing=
 in this for me. Below is the link to the software and it is stupid cheap a=
t the moment, I expect the price to increase shortly, its worth 5 times wha=
t its going for today.
I never enter into the cam conversations because even the best cam designer=
s and companies can't say with 100% certainty "this is exactly correct for =
you" so I refuse to get into a pissing contest with internet experts and bo=
y there is a lot of them out there.
This software will revolutionize cam design and the cam companies will most=
 likely loose there minds when we show up at PRI this year. Rick and I will=
 be sharing a booth with my steel synchro's and his software.=C2=A0
If the software is to much money or over your head, no worries I would be g=
lad to design a cam for a fee of course. ;-)=C2=A0
https://induction-logic.com/


Rick Parent
"Doing the right thing is always the right thing, regardless of consequence=
s"
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    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 03:52:02 PM MST, Larry Young via Fot <=
fot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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  I'd think that cam would be too much for a street engine. I designed a mo=
re street friendly one with 270 degrees duration (226 at 0.050) and 0.320 l=
ift. A few guys bought them. Unfortunately, they were done CNC, so I never =
had a master made. I'd gladly share the numbers if someone wanted to make o=
ne. I think the stock TR4 cams are very good for a street motor.=20
 =C2=A0- Larry
=20
 On 1/13/2023 6:39 PM, Greg Blake via Fot wrote:
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 I love my motor. Larry Young cam on new blank, 87 wiseco pistons, 12.5:1 c=
ompression. But this is clearly not in a road car. =C2=A0But thinking about=
 it, with a heavier flywheel in it, might not be terrible on the road other=
 than fuel costs. Lower the compression a bit and use pump gas maybe margin=
ally ok on street.=C2=A0
=20
 Sent from my iPhone=20
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On Jan 13, 2023, at 15:59, Dave Riddle via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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Well gonna have to rebuild the engine in my TR3 (this was Bob Schaller=E2=
=80=99s car).=20
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Cylinder #1 120, #2 40, #3 110, #4 125
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Getting oil pushed out the dip stick so certainly seems like rings.
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The car used to have a sticker on one of the fenders inside the engine bay =
that read Isky so guessing that is the brand of Cam that is in it.=C2=A0 We=
=E2=80=99ll see when the engine gets broken down to confirm and see which o=
ne.=C2=A0 Is there a Cam that the hive mind of FOT would recommend for a Ro=
ad Car that would be preferred.=C2=A0 The current Cam gives the motor a nic=
e sound but as long as we=E2=80=99re there it makes sense to go =E2=80=9Cbe=
tter=E2=80=9D too.
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Also what Pistons would you recommend?=C2=A0 Pretty sure the car is current=
ly 87mm
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydpbb95d0byahoo-style-wrap" style=3D=
"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Greetings friends!</div><div di=
r=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"f=
alse">This may be of some interest for those looking for an edge in their r=
acing program. I have been researching and designing my own cam for 30 year=
s and even wrote my own cam design program to no avail. I have been using t=
his program for the last 4 years and now its available to the public so che=
ap its disturbing considering the thousands of dollars I have spent on soft=
ware and blowing through close to 50 trial and error cams, 30 of them where=
 on new cam blanks.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">This program has taken my engines to =
another level and will give you all the info you need for designing new eng=
ines or working with the parts you have but the best part is it will give y=
ou an s96 file to send to the cam grinder or you can make a master for a ma=
nual cam grinder. The s96 lob design is yours, you own it and is not what t=
he expert on the other end of the phone thinks you should have.</div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"=
false">Its all math and no guesswork. Cam companies have giant data bases f=
or common motors and can get pretty close based on dyno data collected over=
 6-7 decades. For anything other than Ford and Chevy we are pretty much on =
our own.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Normally I would not share this kind of info but=
 Rick Jones and I have become friends over the years and I just want to hel=
p him out, there is nothing in this for me. Below is the link to the softwa=
re and it is stupid cheap at the moment, I expect the price to increase sho=
rtly, its worth 5 times what its going for today.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" dat=
a-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I never=
 enter into the cam conversations because even the best cam designers and c=
ompanies can't say with 100% certainty "this is exactly correct for you" so=
 I refuse to get into a pissing contest with internet experts and boy there=
 is a lot of them out there.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">This software will revolutio=
nize cam design and the cam companies will most likely loose there minds wh=
en we show up at PRI this year. Rick and I will be sharing a booth with my =
steel synchro's and his software.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=
=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">If the software=
 is to much money or over your head, no worries I would be glad to design a=
 cam for a fee of course. ;-)&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fa=
lse"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><a href=3D"https://in=
duction-logic.com/" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">https://induction-lo=
gic.com/</a><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div=
><br></div><div class=3D"ydpbb95d0bsignature"><div style=3D"font-family:Hel=
vetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr">Rick Parent</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">"<i>Doing the right thing is =
always the right thing, regardless of consequences</i>"</div><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><br></div></div></div></div>
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                    On Saturday, January 14, 2023 at 03:52:02 PM MST, Larry=
 Young via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
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    I'd think that cam would be too much for a street engine. I designed
    a more street friendly one with 270 degrees duration (226 at 0.050)
    and 0.320 lift. A few guys bought them. Unfortunately, they were
    done CNC, so I never had a master made. I'd gladly share the numbers
    if someone wanted to make one. I think the stock TR4 cams are very
    good for a street motor. <br clear=3D"none">
    &nbsp;- Larry<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <div id=3D"yiv6551636816yqtfd30992" class=3D"yiv6551636816yqt5629707058=
"><div class=3D"yiv6551636816moz-cite-prefix">On 1/13/2023 6:39 PM, Greg Bl=
ake via
      Fot wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      </blockquote></div></div><div id=3D"yiv6551636816yqtfd81761" class=3D=
"yiv6551636816yqt5629707058"><div>
      I love my motor. Larry Young cam on new blank, 87 wiseco pistons,
      12.5:1 compression. But this is clearly not in a road car. &nbsp;But
      thinking about it, with a heavier flywheel in it, might not be
      terrible on the road other than fuel costs. Lower the compression
      a bit and use pump gas maybe marginally ok on street.&nbsp;<br clear=
=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div>
      <div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
        <blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jan 13, 2023, at 15:59, Dave Riddle
          via Fot <a rel=3D"nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@au=
tox.team.net" class=3D"yiv6551636816moz-txt-link-rfc2396E">&lt;fot@autox.te=
am.net&gt;</a> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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            <p class=3D"yiv6551636816MsoNormal">Well gonna have to rebuild =
the engine
              in my TR3 (this was Bob Schaller=E2=80=99s car). </p>=20
            <p class=3D"yiv6551636816MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
            <p class=3D"yiv6551636816MsoNormal">Cylinder #1 120, #2 40, #3 =
110, #4 125</p>=20
            <p class=3D"yiv6551636816MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
            <p class=3D"yiv6551636816MsoNormal">Getting oil pushed out the =
dip stick so
              certainly seems like rings.</p>=20
            <p class=3D"yiv6551636816MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
            <p class=3D"yiv6551636816MsoNormal">The car used to have a stic=
ker on one
              of the fenders inside the engine bay that read Isky so
              guessing that is the brand of Cam that is in it.&nbsp; We=E2=
=80=99ll
              see when the engine gets broken down to confirm and see
              which one.&nbsp; Is there a Cam that the hive mind of FOT wou=
ld
              recommend for a Road Car that would be preferred.&nbsp; The
              current Cam gives the motor a nice sound but as long as
              we=E2=80=99re there it makes sense to go =E2=80=9Cbetter=E2=
=80=9D too.</p>=20
            <p class=3D"yiv6551636816MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
            <p class=3D"yiv6551636816MsoNormal">Also what Pistons would you=
 recommend?&nbsp;
              Pretty sure the car is currently 87mm</p>=20
            <p class=3D"yiv6551636816MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p>=20
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            <p class=3D"yiv6551636816MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size=
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                  Riddle</span></b></p>=20
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