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If you get serious about making your car handle optimally for whatever =
the suspension is capable of delivering, tire temperatures are one of =
the inputs you need to consider. The information available in =
temperature readings gets swamped if you have too much toe in, bump =
steering or camber gain because all of these will heat different areas =
of the tire in random ways. If you have those factors under some kind of =
control then tire temperature can be used to set both pressure and =
optimize camber for a given tire. If you do a lap with your tire =
pressure intentionally set low you can use the temperature of the inside =
and outside edges to set your camber. The temperatures need to be read =
as soon as you stop and are best taken after a long sweeper, or even =
better on a skid pad. You skid pad can be any paved surface with enough =
space to run in a circle at reasonably high speed where you won=E2=80=99t =
get arrested for such shenanigans. Equalize the temperatures with camber =
adjustment.
Then hit the track or skid pad again and get a new set of readings. If =
inside and outside remain close but the center is hotter, reduce =
pressure, if it=E2=80=99s colder, increase pressure. test again. =
You=E2=80=99ll never get it completely even across the tire, but if =
you=E2=80=99re reasonably close, then the entire tire is providing =
traction. What that pressure is, is a function of the weight of your =
car, the width of the tire, and it=E2=80=99s construction.=20
When I was switching back and forth between bias ply tires and radials =
to run with different organizations, getting the camber and pressure =
right made a huge difference. On Hoosier Speedsters Peyote did best at =
22-23 pounds. The difference could be as much as 2 seconds a lap at =
tracks like PIR.=20
Bill Babcock
Beach Bum
bill@ponostyle.com
https://www.Ponostyle.com
> On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:16 AM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
>=20
> I woudn=E2=80=99t care too much about tempertures and such stuff.
> I set up the pressure for best laptime, regardless what the =
manufacturer sais.
> =20
> Better to have too much pressure, than too low.
> =20
> Cheers
> Chris
> =20
> Von: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net =
Fot
> Gesendet: Montag, 13. September 2021 23:58
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Hoosier Tire Temperature
> =20
> Thank you Allen! This weekend at Eagles Canyon was my first race in a =
TR3. I've got the same tires and had the same question. I guessed at =
28 lbs. cold and was happy with the handling, I'll go down a few pounds =
next time based on this advice.
> =20
> Appreciate it,
> =20
> Dusty Nicholson
> 1957 EP TR3 #43
> <image001.png>
>=20
> =20
> On Monday, September 13, 2021, 02:43:28 PM CDT, Allen Washatko via Fot =
> =20
> =20
> FOT
> =20
> In regards to my question regarding temperature operating range for a =
225/50 R15 Hoosier Speedster tire, I have the following from Jess =
Speer/Hoosier:
> For my car weighing 2035 lbs, hot tire pressure should be in the 26-28 =
lbs range.=20
> =20
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">If =
you get serious about making your car handle optimally for whatever the =
suspension is capable of delivering, tire temperatures are one of the =
inputs you need to consider. The information available in temperature =
readings gets swamped if you have too much toe in, bump steering or =
camber gain because all of these will heat different areas of the tire =
in random ways. If you have those factors under some kind of control =
then tire temperature can be used to set both pressure and optimize =
camber for a given tire. If you do a lap with your tire pressure =
intentionally set low you can use the temperature of the inside and =
outside edges to set your camber. The temperatures need to be read as =
soon as you stop and are best taken after a long sweeper, or even better =
on a skid pad. You skid pad can be any paved surface with enough space =
to run in a circle at reasonably high speed where you won=E2=80=99t get =
arrested for such shenanigans. Equalize the temperatures with camber =
adjustment.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Then hit =
the track or skid pad again and get a new set of readings. If inside and =
outside remain close but the center is hotter, reduce pressure, if =
it=E2=80=99s colder, increase pressure. test again. You=E2=80=99ll never =
get it completely even across the tire, but if you=E2=80=99re reasonably =
close, then the entire tire is providing traction. What that pressure =
is, is a function of the weight of your car, the width of the tire, and =
it=E2=80=99s construction. </div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">When I was switching back and forth =
between bias ply tires and radials to run with different organizations, =
getting the camber and pressure right made a huge difference. On Hoosier =
Speedsters Peyote did best at 22-23 pounds. The difference could be as =
much as 2 seconds a lap at tracks like PIR. <div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div><b class=3D"">Bill Babcock</b><br class=3D""><i class=3D"">Beach =
Bum</i><br class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:bill@ponostyle.com"; =
class=3D"">bill@ponostyle.com</a><br =
class=3D"">https://www.Ponostyle.com<br class=3D""></div>
</div>
<div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Sep 14, 2021, at 5:16 AM, Chris Marx via Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; =
font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">I woudn=E2=80=99t care too much about =
tempertures and such stuff.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">I set up the pressure for best laptime, =
regardless what the manufacturer sais.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">Better to have too much pressure, than too =
low.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Cheers<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Chris<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: =
solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, =
225); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"DE" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span lang=3D"DE" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=3D"">Im Auftrag =
von<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>dustin =
nicholson via Fot<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Montag, 13. September 2021 =
23:58<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>FOT <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>>; =
Allen Washatko <<a href=3D"mailto:awashatko@wi.rr.com"; style=3D"color: =
blue; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">awashatko@wi.rr.com</a>><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] Hoosier Tire =
Temperature<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=3D"">Thank =
you Allen! This weekend at Eagles Canyon was my first race in a =
TR3. I've got the same tires and had the same question. I =
guessed at 28 lbs. cold and was happy with the handling, I'll go down a =
few pounds next time based on this advice.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=3D"">Appreciate =
it,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
"Times New Roman", serif;" class=3D"">Dusty Nicholson<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;" class=3D"">1957 EP TR3 #43<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Times =
New Roman", serif;" class=3D""><span =
id=3D"cid:image001.png@01D7A973.12924CF0"><image001.png></span></spa=
n><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Times New =
Roman", serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydp87cc31b8yahoo_quoted_1609027734" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">On=
Monday, September 13, 2021, 02:43:28 PM CDT, Allen Washatko via Fot =
<<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>> =
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class=3D"">FOT<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div =
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Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" class=3D"">In=
regards to my question regarding temperature operating range for a =
225/50 R15 Hoosier Speedster tire, I have the following from Jess =
Speer/Hoosier:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(38, 40, 42);" =
class=3D"">For my car weighing 2035 lbs, hot tire pressure should be in =
the 26-28 lbs range.<span =
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class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
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