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Re: [Fot] TR6 port injection on Microsquirt

To: Bob Kramer <rkramer56@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 port injection on Microsquirt
From: Brian Dolan via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 08:50:29 -0400
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That=E2=80=99s awesome and terrific dedication.

We keep breaking stub axles.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 8:36 AM Bob Kramer <rkramer56@gmail.com> wrote:

> We've done pretty well over the years, right up until we didn't. I'm
> pretty sure we finished more than we DNF'd, but I have selective memory
> issues and haven't been on every race team. We've had a few big failures
> overall, but mechanically the car is up to it.  We did have a ring and
> pinion fail at COTA. That could happen on the highway. That was years aft=
er
> we smoked a diff early on in the summer heat at TWS before we realized th=
at
> GL4 is great for 20 minute vintage races but not for 8 hours straight. Th=
e
> heat melted the poly diff mounts!  Aggressive dives are to be avoided as
> more modern cars have us both on the acceleration and the braking. The
> front end of a fiberglassed fendered TR6 is no match for the right rear 1=
/4
> of a BMW M3. More recently a 50 year old rocker called it quits. I'm sure
> there are other fails I have blocked out.
>
> Most of our problems can be traced back to our Lemon's roots and our buil=
d
> it out of the scrap bin mentality. The wheels are hand me down American
> Racing slots and we have more than once forgotten the fact that we needed
> wheel spacers or the shouldered nuts would bottom out. We had to clean ou=
t
> the repurposed fuel cell to remove disintegrating foam at the first race.
> Street gas is different than race fuel. Over a decade later we have a
> decent engine (about to become more responsive to throttle input), a clos=
e
> ratio J-type, CV joint rear axles, fiberglass fenders and doors, and a ve=
ry
> trick removable front 1/2 clip from the BMW wars. We also found a couple =
of
> TR6 manuals that list the TR6 as having a 13.5 gallon fuel tank.  I have
> never been able to put much more than 11 in a stock tank, but whatever, t=
he
> rules allow us 2 gallon over stock specs and since we are counting the 71=
"
> TR6 inner fender expansion tank as another 1/2 gallon we are putting in a
> 16 gallon fuel cell.  We figure we are good for 2 hour stints. At least t=
he
> car is.
>
> Bob Kramer
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:53 PM Brian Dolan via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> This is a fascinating concept. Triumph endurance! ;)
>>
>> Brian Dolan
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:42 PM James Palmer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net=
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Greg, as someone who is also building a TR6 endurance race car, I=E2=80=
=99d love
>>> to follow along!
>>>
>>> Jamie Palmer
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Jul 25, 2021, at 7:06 PM, Greg Blake via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > =EF=BB=BFGuys,
>>> >
>>> > Bob Kramer and I are converting the Texas endurance race car over to
>>> port fuel injection. Was wondering if anyone in this group might have a
>>> base fuel and an ignition map they can share as a starting point.
>>> >
>>> > The car has 10:1 compression and a Good Parts GP3 cam.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> >
>>> > Greg
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
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<div dir=3D"auto">That=E2=80=99s awesome and terrific dedication.=C2=A0</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">We keep breaking stub axles=
.=C2=A0</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 8:36 AM Bob Kramer &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:rkramer56@gmail.com">rkramer56@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">We&#39;ve done pretty well over the=
 years, right up until=C2=A0we didn&#39;t. I&#39;m pretty sure we finished =
more than we DNF&#39;d,=C2=A0but I have selective=C2=A0memory issues and ha=
ven&#39;t been on every race team. We&#39;ve had a few big failures overall=
, but mechanically the car is up to it.=C2=A0 We did have a ring and pinion=
 fail at COTA. That could happen on the highway. That was years after we sm=
oked a diff early on in the summer heat at TWS before we realized that GL4 =
is great for 20 minute vintage races but not for 8 hours straight. The heat=
 melted the poly diff=C2=A0mounts!=C2=A0 Aggressive dives are to be avoided=
 as more modern cars have us both on the acceleration and the braking. The =
front end of a fiberglassed fendered TR6 is no match for the right rear 1/4=
 of a BMW M3. More recently a 50 year old rocker called it quits. I&#39;m s=
ure there are other fails I have blocked out.<div><br></div><div>Most of ou=
r problems can be traced back to our Lemon&#39;s roots and=C2=A0our build i=
t out of the scrap bin mentality. The wheels are hand me down American Raci=
ng slots and we have more than once forgotten the fact that we needed wheel=
 spacers or the shouldered nuts would bottom out. We had to clean out the r=
epurposed fuel cell to remove disintegrating=C2=A0foam at the first race. S=
treet gas is different than race fuel. Over a decade later we have a decent=
 engine (about to become more responsive to throttle input), a close ratio =
J-type, CV joint rear axles, fiberglass fenders and doors, and a very trick=
 removable=C2=A0front 1/2 clip from the BMW wars. We also found a couple=C2=
=A0of TR6 manuals that list the TR6 as having a 13.5 gallon fuel tank.=C2=
=A0 I have never been able to put much more than 11 in a stock tank, but wh=
atever, the rules allow us 2 gallon over stock=C2=A0specs and since we are =
counting the 71&quot; TR6 inner fender expansion tank as another 1/2 gallon=
 we are putting in a 16 gallon fuel cell.=C2=A0 We figure we are good for 2=
 hour stints. At least the car is.=C2=A0</div><div><br><div><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</di=
v></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"></div><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul =
25, 2021 at 7:53 PM Brian Dolan via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.tea=
m.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
></blockquote></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">This is a fascinating concept. Triu=
mph endurance! ;)</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Brian =
Dolan=C2=A0</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 7:42 PM James Palmer via Fot &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a=
>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Gre=
g, as someone who is also building a TR6 endurance race car, I=E2=80=99d lo=
ve to follow along!<br>
<br>
Jamie Palmer<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; On Jul 25, 2021, at 7:06 PM, Greg Blake via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; =EF=BB=BFGuys,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Bob Kramer and I are converting the Texas endurance race car over to p=
ort fuel injection. Was wondering if anyone in this group might have a base=
 fuel and an ignition map they can share as a starting point. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The car has 10:1 compression and a Good Parts GP3 cam. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Greg<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Sent from my iPhone<br>
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