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To: McKearn McKearn <mckearn2@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise
From: Scott Janzen via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 13:51:38 -0400
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well, there is the "ignore it" approach.  If you have a spare diff or =
three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that =
point a rebuild is probably out of the question! =20
Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car every winter =
to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no maintenance, =
as long as it started.  Of course, that=E2=80=99s because I was =
preserving my sports car in the garage.

On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 PM, McKearn McKearn <mckearn2@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the replies. (Some of you :)
   I was pretty much planning to pull it apart again but was hoping =
someone would humor me into not worrying about it ..
                                        P.J.

 =20

On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com =
You can=E2=80=99t really =E2=80=9Cpull the cover=E2=80=9D on a Spit/GT6 =
diff, but it=E2=80=99s easy enough to drop the whole diff and much =
easier to examine on the bench. =20

On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, vfracing--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =

Pat;
If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion would be one =
of the differential carrier bearings.  That is, if you are certain it is =
from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked by pitching the car =
side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to change the loading =
and hence the level of whine.

But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the carrier =
should be pulled and a visual inspection made.  Look for pitting on the =
bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before pulling the carrier) =
with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright colored paint)

Hopefully it's just a bearing,

Phil Gott


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From: Robert Lang via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =
Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 11:39 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise

CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT.=20

Whining is because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result =
in premature wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat =
the diff and / or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from =
something really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find =
out when one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting =
damage to everything. Not that I've done that or anything.

And keep in mind that scrap steel prices are "fairly low".

Regards,
Bob Lang


On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, McKearn McKearn via Fot =


Hi All.
  I am hearing some whining going on behind me when driving my 68 GT6..
 It is only at neutral acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( =
There is no whine when accelerating or decelerating).   Stock 3.27:1 =
rear end.
                                                           Any thoughts =
?
                                  Thanks Pat
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">well,=
 there is the "ignore it" approach. &nbsp;If you have a spare diff or =
three, no big deal - you could drive 'til it craps out, though at that =
point a rebuild is probably out of the question! &nbsp;<div =
class=3D"">Back in the old days in Pittsburgh, when I got a $200 car =
every winter to drive through the ice, salt and potholes, there was no =
maintenance, as long as it started. &nbsp;Of course, that=E2=80=99s =
because I was preserving my sports car in the garage.<br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug 19, 2020, at 1:47 =
PM, McKearn McKearn &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">mckearn2@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Thanks for the replies. (Some of you =
:)</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; I was pretty much planning to pull =
it apart again but was hoping someone would humor me into not worrying =
about it ..</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; P.J.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;</div></div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"gmail_attr" =
dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM Scott Janzen &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:sjanzen@me.com"; class=3D"">sjanzen@me.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-widt=
h:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;" =
class=3D"">You can=E2=80=99t really =E2=80=9Cpull the cover=E2=80=9D on =
a Spit/GT6 diff, but it=E2=80=99s easy enough to drop the whole diff and =
much easier to examine on the bench. &nbsp;<br class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug 19, 2020, at 11:48 AM, =
vfracing--- via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" =
class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" =
class=3D"">Pat;</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" =
class=3D"">If it's a stock set up from the factory, my first suspicion =
would be one of the differential carrier bearings.&nbsp; That is, if you =
are certain it is from the differential. Wheel bearings can be checked =
by pitching the car side to side (no traffic, wide open parking lot) to =
change the loading and hence the level of whine.</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" =
class=3D"">But Bob is right: check it out NOW. The cover and perhaps the =
carrier should be pulled and a visual inspection made.&nbsp; Look for =
pitting on the bearings and gear teeth, check the pattern (before =
pulling the carrier) with Bluing Compound (or, lacking that, bright =
colored paint)<br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" =
class=3D"">Hopefully it's just a bearing,</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" =
class=3D"">Phil Gott</div><div =
style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br =
class=3D"">From: Robert Lang via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br class=3D"">To: FOT list &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;; McKearn McKearn &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">mckearn2@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br class=3D"">Sent: Wed, Aug 19, =
2020 11:39 am<br class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Fot] Dif. noise<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_1305250608599246961yiv9913073415" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica =
Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">CHECK IT BEFORE YOU DESTROY IT. <br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Whining is =
because the gears aren't meshing properly. This will result in premature =
wear if you're lucky. If you are not lucky, you'll overheat the diff and =
/ or otherwise destroy it. Sometimes the noise can be from something =
really dumb, like the ring gear bolts backing out and you find out when =
one of the bolts wedge in the diff case with the resulting damage to =
everything. Not that I've done that or anything.<br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">And keep in mind that scrap =
steel prices are "fairly low".</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br =
clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Bob Lang</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div>
       =20
        </div><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_1305250608599246961yiv9913073415ydp256e4462yahoo_quoted_7989=
025310" class=3D"">
            <div style=3D"color:rgb(38,40,42);font-family:&quot;Helvetica =
Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" class=3D"">
               =20
                <div =
id=3D"gmail-m_1305250608599246961yiv9913073415yqt68010" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">
                    On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:59:08 AM EDT, =
McKearn McKearn via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div>
                <div class=3D""><br clear=3D"none" class=3D""></div>
                <div class=3D""><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_1305250608599246961yiv9913073415ydp256e4462yiv0720270631" =
class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Hi All.</div><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp; I am hearing some whining going on behind me when =
driving my 68 GT6..</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp;It is only at neutral =
acceleration/deceleration and above 40 MPH ( There is no whine when =
accelerating or decelerating). &nbsp; Stock 3.27:1 rear end.</div><div =
class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp; Any thoughts ?</div><div class=3D"">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Thanks Pat</div></div>
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