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Re: [Fot] opinion - SOLVED...maybe

To: Nick Black <vintagenick42@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] opinion - SOLVED...maybe
From: Ponostyle via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 18:37:32 -0700
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I switched to a radial bearing to solve a similar issue with Peyote. For =
a while I was using a quartermaster dual plate rally clutch and it was =
like a switch with the standard throwout bearing. I fiddled with several =
things to try to make it work more progressively, but the only thing =
that really helped was ditching the standard setup and going radial. =
Unfortunately they take some fiddling since it=E2=80=99s easier to =
overstroke the clutch and break it, but once you get that sorted it=E2=80=99=
s much more controllable.=20

> On Apr 22, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> =
wrote:
>=20
> The crank is good and the thrust washers were perfect (the engine is =
out for a refresh).
> The diff has been run for years so I assume everything was happy in it =
until this clutch fiasco broke it.
>=20
> As an olde partner of mine used to say "I've been uptown and downtown, =
seen Tobacco Road twice and thought I seen it all...but I ain't never =
seen this"
>=20
> Everything I have looked at was well within spec and looked good and I =
was pretty sure nothing had been "fixed" so far. As depression had set =
in I sat and contemplated everything and a good thing too as I noticed =
what I thought was an optical illusion. It appeared as the throwout =
bearing sleeve (the nose cone on the trans) was pointed down! It was =
difficult to measure, but at the end closest to the pplate it was =
pointed down about 100 thou toward the ground.It "looked" like the gap =
twixt input shaft and the inside of the sleeve was about 1/8" at the top =
and about 1/4" gap at the bottom!!!
>=20
> The sleeve appears to be straight, the input bearing flush to the case =
and the sleeve tight to the case. So, how would the sleeve not be =
parallel to the input shaft?  I even reseated the input bearing to be =
sure it was tight to the case and not "cocked". This trans case does not =
show any cracks and has been on the car for 20 years without any issues.
>=20
> Don't know how this could occur or if it would cause this issue but =
its not right. Looks like I need to get another case out of the shed and =
exchange pieces.
>=20
>=20
> I do some of my best work while it looks like I'm just sittin there in =
NorCal
> Nick
>=20
> PS If we ever get back on track this year, we'll see if we caught it =
and I'll let you know.
> Thanks for thinking about this
> _______________________________________________
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>=20
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>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I =
switched to a radial bearing to solve a similar issue with Peyote. For a =
while I was using a quartermaster dual plate rally clutch and it was =
like a switch with the standard throwout bearing. I fiddled with several =
things to try to make it work more progressively, but the only thing =
that really helped was ditching the standard setup and going radial. =
Unfortunately they take some fiddling since it=E2=80=99s easier to =
overstroke the clutch and break it, but once you get that sorted it=E2=80=99=
s much more controllable.&nbsp;<br class=3D""><div><br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr =
22, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Nick Black via Fot &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica =
Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">The crank is good and the thrust =
washers were perfect (the engine is out for a refresh).</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">The diff has been run for =
years so I assume everything was happy in it until this clutch fiasco =
broke it.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">As an =
olde partner of mine used to say "I've been uptown and downtown, seen =
Tobacco Road twice and thought I seen it all...but I ain't never seen =
this"</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" =
class=3D"">Everything I have looked at was well within spec and looked =
good and I was pretty sure nothing had been "fixed" so far. As =
depression had set in I sat and contemplated everything and a good thing =
too as I noticed what I thought was an optical illusion. It appeared as =
the throwout bearing sleeve (the nose cone on the trans) was pointed =
down! It was difficult to measure, but at the end closest to the pplate =
it was pointed down about 100 thou toward the ground.It "looked" like =
the gap twixt input shaft and the inside of the sleeve was about 1/8" at =
the top and about 1/4" gap at the bottom!!!</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">The sleeve appears to be straight, the =
input bearing flush to the case and the sleeve tight to the case. So, =
how would the sleeve not be parallel to the input shaft?&nbsp; I even =
reseated the input bearing to be sure it was tight to the case and not =
"cocked". This trans case does not show any cracks and has been on the =
car for 20 years without any issues.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Don't know how this could occur or if =
it would cause this issue but its not right. Looks like I need to get =
another case out of the shed and exchange pieces.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">I do some of my best work while it =
looks like I'm just sittin there in NorCal</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Nick</div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">PS If we ever get back on track this =
year, we'll see if we caught it and I'll let you know.</div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false" class=3D"">Thanks for thinking about =
this</div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br =
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class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">http://www.fot-racing.com<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Donate: =
http://autox.team.net/archive http://www.team.net/pipermail/fot<br =
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