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Ok this is a long shot but. =20
I was have a similar issue in the TR3 recently and it turned out I had a com=
bination of issues that led to a very over rich condition.=20
I use the Holley chrome fuel pressure regulator and I have a fuel isolator i=
n the engine bay with a fuel pressure gauge in the dash. One weekend, the ru=
bber diaphragm in the regulator started leaking and I did not have a replace=
ment. I borrowed one from a buddy who=E2=80=99s car was on the trailer. Turn=
s out, his regulator had the high pressure spring that can=E2=80=99t regulat=
e fuel bellow about 5 psi. As luck would have it, I also had a bubble in my g=
auge isolator line. The bubble was causing a false low pressure reading so I=
kept cranking it up at the regulator. This was a frustrating process as the=
car starting progressively bogging down after hard braking and hard corneri=
ng, which is where I do about 90% of my passing. It=E2=80=99s embarrassing t=
o admit now, but this took me two race weekends to figure out. Finally I dec=
ided to take apart the gauge isolation system and start over. Once back toge=
ther, the true pressure reading indicated 8 psi. Next I took apart the borro=
wed regulator to rebuild it with the kit and I discovered the high pressure s=
pring. Rebuilt with the appropriate spring and all is right.=20
Like I said, long shot, but it=E2=80=99s worth sharing in case it helps you t=
hink through some related change you might have made recently. It=E2=80=99s a=
mazing how simple the fix typically turns out.=20
Good luck.=20
Greg
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 13, 2019, at 11:49 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
>=20
> Years ago we went through a period where an additive in racing gas was cau=
sing a leak in the float seams on new replacement floats. At the end of a s=
ession your =E2=80=98new=E2=80=99 floats could be full of gas. Old floats we=
re sought after. Harold Baker, one of Duck Waddle=E2=80=99s crew made us so=
me custom aluminum ones that worked perfect. We got through the season. A=
nd eventually they fixed the issue. Bill Dentinger
>=20
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> On Saturday, July 13, 2019, Steven Belfer via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:
>=20
> Probably not related but the brass floats can develop a pinhole leak. It p=
robably sinks and stays on the bottom=20
>=20
> ~Steve
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>=20
>> On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Tony Drews via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:
>>=20
>=20
>=20
> We experienced this, but getting the pivots in the orientation you have th=
em was the fix for us (in a TR-4). You can try a different top orientation t=
hough, assuming you have the float bowls with the 3 screws. The front carb i=
s likely the problem - under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float=
drops. As soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull.
>=20
> Regards, Tony
>=20
>> On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot wrote:
>=20
> The floats pivot so the swing front to back. On the rear carb the pivot p=
in is nearest the firewall, on the front carb the pivot pin is nearest the r=
adiator.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Jason
>=20
> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:29 PM Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com> wrote:
> What is the orientation of the pivot on the floats? =20
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
> On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrot=
e:
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>> Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel pressure gauge stays consistent during t=
he entire run.
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Jason
>>=20
>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott <vfracing@aol.com> wrote:
>> Jason;
>> What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, alt=
hough a Spitfire driver and I run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than t=
hat could be causing you some of this problem.
>> Phil Gott
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>> > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:
>> >=20
>> > Hello FOT,
>> > Running my GT6 at the PVGP historics this weekend. I've sorted th=
e braking system and installed new tires since the last time out. Now that I=
'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering from what seems to be fuel flo=
oding, possible sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet into the=
intake...
>> >=20
>> > During and immediately after a hard braking zone, the engine goes compl=
etely "off" and I can smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out and=
runs strong in all other conditions, no indication of over rich or starving=
for fuel. Starts normally, no issues idling.
>> >=20
>> > Original fuel level in the floats was about 1/8" below the top of the j=
et. By reducing the fuel level in the bowls from there, the problem has som=
ewhat improved, but it's still significant. Every session I adjust them a l=
ittle further, but I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band aid.
>> >=20
>> > Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? =20
>> >=20
>> > Jason Sukey
>> >=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Ok this is a long shot but. <div><br>=
</div><div>I was have a similar issue in the TR3 recently and it turned out I=
had a combination of issues that led to a very over rich condition. </=
div><div><br></div><div>I use the Holley chrome fuel pressure regulator and I=
have a fuel isolator in the engine bay with a fuel pressure gauge in the da=
sh. One weekend, the rubber diaphragm in the regulator started leaking and I=
did not have a replacement. I borrowed one from a buddy who=E2=80=99s car w=
as on the trailer. Turns out, his regulator had the high pressure spring tha=
t can=E2=80=99t regulate fuel bellow about 5 psi. As luck would have it, I a=
lso had a bubble in my gauge isolator line. The bubble was causing a false l=
ow pressure reading so I kept cranking it up at the regulator. This was a fr=
ustrating process as the car starting progressively bogging down after hard b=
raking and hard cornering, which is where I do about 90% of my passing. It=E2=
=80=99s embarrassing to admit now, but this took me two race weekends to fig=
ure out. Finally I decided to take apart the gauge isolation system and star=
t over. Once back together, the true pressure reading indicated 8 psi. Next I=
took apart the borrowed regulator to rebuild it with the kit and I discover=
ed the high pressure spring. Rebuilt with the appropriate spring and all is r=
ight. </div><div><br></div><div>Like I said, long shot, but it=E2=80=99=
s worth sharing in case it helps you think through some related change you m=
ight have made recently. It=E2=80=99s amazing how simple the fix typically t=
urns out. </div><div><br></div><div>Good luck. </div><div><br></di=
v><div>Greg</div><div><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Sent fr=
om my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Jul 13, 2019, at 11:49 PM, Bill De=
ntinger via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net=
</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">Year=
s ago we went through a period where an additive in racing gas was caus=
ing a leak in the float seams on new replacement floats. At the end of=
a session your =E2=80=98new=E2=80=99 floats could be full of gas. Old f=
loats were sought after. Harold Baker, one of Duck Waddle=E2=80=99s cr=
ew made us some custom aluminum ones that worked perfect. We got t=
hrough the season. And eventually they fixed the issue. Bill Den=
tinger<br><br><div id=3D"__aol_mail_signature__">Sent from AOL Mobile Mail</=
div>
<br><div class=3D"aolmail_replyHeader">
On Saturday, July 13, 2019, Steven Belfer via Fot <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:
</div><br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 9px;padding:0 0 0 9px;"><div id=3D"yiv6155=
603779"><div>Probably not related but the brass floats can develop a pinhole=
leak. It probably sinks and stays on the bottom <br clear=3D"none"><br=
clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv6155603779AppleMailSignature">~Ste=
ve<div><br clear=3D"none"></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"yiv6155=
603779yqt5272048001" id=3D"yiv6155603779yqtfd61662"><br clear=3D"none">On Ju=
l 13, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Tony Drews via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto=
:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br=
clear=3D"none"></div></div><div class=3D"yiv6155603779yqt5272048001" id=3D"=
yiv6155603779yqtfd99121"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">
=20
</div></blockquote></div></div><div class=3D"yiv6155603779yqt5272048001"=
id=3D"yiv6155603779yqtfd76565"><div><p>We experienced this, but getting the=
pivots in the orientation
you have them was the fix for us (in a TR-4). You can try a
different top orientation though, assuming you have the float
bowls with the 3 screws. The front carb is likely the problem -
under braking the fuel goes to the front so the float drops. As
soon as you stop braking the float bowl is overfull.</p>
<p>Regards, Tony<br clear=3D"none">
</p>
<div class=3D"yiv6155603779moz-cite-prefix">On 7/13/2019 8:37 PM, Jason S=
ukey via
Fot wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
</blockquote></div></div><div><div class=3D"yiv6155603779yqt5272048001=
" id=3D"yiv6155603779yqtfd28686"><div>The floats pivot so the swing front to=
back. On
the rear carb the pivot pin is nearest the firewall, on the
front carb the pivot pin is nearest the radiator.
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Jason</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv6155603779gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"yiv6155603779gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sat, Jul 13, 2=
019, 9:29 PM
Greg Blake <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:gblake58tr3@icloud.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:gblake58tr3@iclou=
d.com">gblake58tr3@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv6155603779gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>What is the orientation of the pivot on the
floats? <br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv6155603779m_-3378539813793621208AppleM=
ailSignature">Sent
from my iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"none">
On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:17 PM, Jason Sukey via Fot <<a rel=3D=
"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_b=
lank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
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<div>Phil, I'm running 2 psi. My fuel
pressure gauge stays consistent during the entire run.
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Jason</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"yiv6155603779gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Sat,=
Jul 13,
2019, 9:15 PM Phil Gott <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D=
"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:=
vfracing@aol.com">vfracing@aol.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<blockquote class=3D"yiv6155603779gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Jason;<br clea=
r=3D"none">
What sort of Fuel pressure are you running? Should
be 1 1/2 to 3 psi, although a Spitfire driver and I
run 6 with no apparent ill effect. More than that
could be causing you some of this problem.<br clear=3D"n=
one">
Phil Gott<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Sent from my iPhone<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
> On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:57 PM, Jason Sukey via
Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"ma=
ilto:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net=
">fot@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Hello FOT,<br clear=3D"none">
> Running my GT6 at the PVGP hist=
orics this
weekend. I've sorted the braking system and
installed new tires since the last time out. Now
that I'm actually able to brake hard, I'm suffering
from what seems to be fuel flooding, possible
sloshing in the float bowls and dumping out the jet
into the intake...<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> During and immediately after a hard braking
zone, the engine goes completely "off" and I can
smell raw fuel. After a few seconds it clears out
and runs strong in all other conditions, no
indication of over rich or starving for fuel. Starts
normally, no issues idling.<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Original fuel level in the floats was about
1/8" below the top of the jet. By reducing the fue=
l
level in the bowls from there, the problem has
somewhat improved, but it's still significant.
Every session I adjust them a little further, but
I'm not sure this is the right fix...maybe a band
aid.<br clear=3D"none">
> <br clear=3D"none">
> Has anyone experienced this with the HS carbs? =
;
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