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Bastuck announced a new batch of dog box gear sets that should have been av=
ailable from february 2019 onwards. It took longer, but these sets are avai=
lable now.=20
Marcel.=20
Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Aan: "Tony Drews" <tony@tonydrews.com>=20
Cc: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Verzonden: Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23=20
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission=20
I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wea=
r out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part number=
s .=20
T=20
Sent from my iPhone=20
On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.n=
et | fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:=20
Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gearset uses s=
ubstantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger input to m=
ainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack. Work of art=
. Layshaft still uses semi-stock bearings.=20
When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really like i=
t. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios work well.=
=20
Cheers, Tony Drews=20
On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wrote:=20
BQ_BEGIN
Hi,=20
Those are THE questions, aren't they?=20
Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no synchros.=
Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source that=
I know of in the UK can get them:=20
[ http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/triumph-gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu3=
t7n64 | Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs ]=20
[ http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/triumph-gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu3=
t7n64 |=20
Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs
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Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife
]=20
Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in conta=
ct with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe=
we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets.=20
Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type =
overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and ther=
e was no production scheduled.=20
Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consi=
sts of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the correspondi=
ng layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they =
work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 yea=
rs, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio optio=
n, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear.=20
Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust force=
s and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft needl=
e bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the layshaft,=
you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some workar=
ounds to compensate for excessive end float.=20
Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle bearing=
s on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One fix=
is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Moss=
or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum=
Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than the s=
tock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and y=
ou need to keep an eye on it.=20
As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock an=
d/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of r=
eplacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're get=
ting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying at=
tention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems.=20
If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more t=
han some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to Toyot=
a/T5/Rocket, etc.=20
Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm a=
t right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most=
"vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In the=
spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions w=
hich are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset a=
vailable with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty clos=
e to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pounds which is reall=
y close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more $$$, Gear Vend=
ors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't researched that enou=
gh to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option, albeit around =
$3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super=
T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do=
-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more =
$$$. ;-)=20
Regards,=20
Bob Lang=20
339-927-4489=20
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t@autox.team.net |=20
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Amici=20
What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the be=
st source for getting such=20
I=E2=80=99m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs th=
e close ratio gear set (I=E2=80=99m assuming the close ratio is still helic=
al gears)=20
Please chime in with preferences and opinions=20
Cheers=20
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Sent from my iPhone=20
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f; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"><div>Bastuck announced a new batch of d=
og box gear sets that should have been available from february 2019 onwards=
. It took longer, but these sets are available now.</div><div>Marcel.</div>=
<div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><div data-marke=
r=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>Van: </b>"fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Aan: <=
/b>"Tony Drews" <tony@tonydrews.com><br><b>Cc: </b>"fot" <fot@auto=
x.team.net><br><b>Verzonden: </b>Dinsdag 18 juni 2019 18:54:23<br><b>Ond=
erwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] TR4 transmission<br></div><br><div data-marker=3D"__Q=
UOTED_TEXT__">
I would add that you can buy individual parts for the quaife should you wea=
r out a hub or chip a tooth . Each component has laser engraved part number=
s .
<div>T<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Jun 18, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Tony Drews via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
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<blockquote>
<div>
<p>Nice summary! I don't have much to add other than the Quaife gears=
et uses substantial needle bearings inside each of the gears, much larger i=
nput to mainshaft needle bearing, steel thrust washers within the stack.&nb=
sp; Work of art. Layshaft still uses semi-stock
bearings.</p>
<p>When I blew up my tranny I ended up going with the Quaife and really lik=
e it. No synchros to break, shifts are lightning quick, gear ratios w=
ork well.</p>
<p>Cheers, Tony Drews<br>
</p>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 6/18/2019 9:24 AM, Robert Lang via Fot wr=
ote:<br>
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<div>Hi,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Those are THE questions, aren't they?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no sync=
hros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one source=
that I know of in the UK can get them:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/triumph-gear-k=
it.htm#.XQjuu3t7n64" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"enhancr_ca=
rd_1791886968">Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs</a></div>
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</div>
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<div>Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in =
contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. =
Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-=
type overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and=
there was no production scheduled.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This =
consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corres=
ponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but =
they work great. These are helical
gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, and it is really really g=
ood. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox wi=
th the 16-tooth 1st laygear.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust =
forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaft =
needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the lays=
haft, you will spin the thrust washers
and wreck the case. There are some workarounds to compensate for excessive=
end float.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle be=
arings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. On=
e fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from=
Moss or another source) that is
set up for the double bearing. I've had Quantum Mechanics install the doub=
le bearings, they seem to work better than the stock setup. But even with t=
hat setup, the layshaft still gets pounded and you need to keep an eye on i=
t.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the sto=
ck and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency=
of replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you'r=
e getting to spot the differences.
That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to the detritus in th=
e oil, you can stay ahead of problems.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or m=
ore than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to =
Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where =
I'm at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the=
most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. I=
n the spirit of full transparency,
I'm also looking at Super T10 transmissions which are the same as the old =
Muncie "Rock Crusher" and there is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.6=
3 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th which is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setu=
p. And the gearbox is 70 pounds
which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out more=
$$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't resea=
rched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an option,=
albeit around $3k. But you get
a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A drawback to the Super T10 is that you=
will need to make or source a bell housing, but that is do-able with a com=
bo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent machinist and more $$$. ;-)<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Bob Lang</div>
<div>339-927-4489<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Amici <br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive an=
d where is the best source for getting such<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I=E2=80=99m looking at the pros and cons of the straight c=
ut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I=E2=80=99m assuming the close rat=
io is still helical gears)
<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Please chime in with preferences and opinions <br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Cheers <br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Mike Deweerd #77<br>
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