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For what it's worth:
Comparison of a welded diff with a Quaff;
I've been running a welded Diff "forever." No problems. =C2=A0But recently =
had an opportunity to compare it with a Quaiffe.
Recently my son (Dave Gott) got a TR4 (Bill Throop's car) and installed a Q=
uaife in it. =C2=A0We were running nose to tail at Thompson and we observed=
that:
1. =C2=A0the Quaffe did allow inside wheel spin and hence no power to the o=
utside on VERY tight turns (turn 4 especially).2. the Welded diff caused th=
e rear to kick out upon application of power in the two right handers prior=
to the straight due to power induced increased slip angle. =C2=A0Therefore=
, I had to feather the throttle to keep the car from oversteering and loopi=
ng.3. In those same two corners, the Quaiffe enabled early application of t=
he throttle and gained on the TR with the welded diff in those corners even=
though the TR with the welded diff had much more power.
So with respect to these two approaches it's not a case of one being overal=
l better than the other, but a case of the right diff for each=C2=A0track.
Phil Gott
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: kaskastner <kaskastner@gmail.com>
Cc: jaboruch <jaboruch@netzero.net>; fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Broken Diffs
And they sure do work. =C2=A0
Every once in a while at GRATTAN, going through the off camber Turn 3, it w=
ould grab and CLUNK like the whole rear end fell out.=C2=A0 I thought it mi=
ght have broken, but turns out that was well within its character.
Bill Dentinger
-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner <kaskastner@gmail.com>
To: BillDentin@aol.com <billdentin@aol.com>
Cc: Robert Deanes <rfdeanes@gmail.com>; Joe Boruch <jaboruch@netzero.net>; =
FOT <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 9:55 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Broken Diffs
The Comp. Dept for Triumph paid for the tooling for that diff "No Spin" whi=
ch later was called the Detroit locker. I remember well arguing with the pe=
ople on how units would every be ordered=C2=A0 and a guarantee etc. I know =
one thing though, at the end of the conversation and after a few weeks we h=
ad made a limited slip available for the Triumph racers.
Never be beaten by equipment.
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 9:46 AM Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>=
wrote:
"Lincoln Locker" and "Detroit Locker"=C2=A0 synonymous?=C2=A0 I was told mi=
ne were "Detroit Lockers", but I had a owner's manual that was called "NO S=
PIN"
Bill Dentinger
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Deanes via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch@netzero.net>
Cc: FoT Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 8:24 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Broken Diffs
have been racing a welded unit for years with no problems, would like to do=
one for each gear ratioon the other hand I will have to look at a "Lincoln=
Locker"=C2=A0 to see what the hype is, sure it is good !
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 1:58 AM Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:
Nick, I never got your email(s).=C2=A0 One was forwarded to me.=C2=A0 John =
Styduhar beat you to the parts, but is willing to work with you for what yo=
u may need.=C2=A0 Joe(B)
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: vintagenick42 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Diffs
To: Joe Boruch <jaboruch@netzero.net>, <billdentin@aol.com>
Cc: <fot@autox.team.net>
Joe=C2=A0Check your spam folder....thats where i usually hang out amyway.I =
sent a request re detroit locker parts. I need a side gear and spring for a=
"big" TR.=C2=A0Lemme noNick in norcal=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Sent via the Samsun=
g Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone=C2=A0-------- Original messag=
e --------From: Joe Boruch via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>Date: 11/23/18 8:29 =
AM (GMT-08:00)To: billdentin@aol.comCc: fot@autox.team.netSubject: Re: [Fot=
] Broken Diffs=C2=A0I have a box of Detroit Locker parts sitting around tha=
t I should sell.=C3=82=C2=A0 I think it is parts from 2 diffs, both with cr=
acked carriers.=C3=82=C2=A0 The internal gears are still usable, if someone=
is looking for parts.=C3=82=C2=A0 Joe(B)
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<font color=3D'black' size=3D'2' face=3D'arial'>For what it's worth:
<div><br>
<div>Comparison of a welded diff with a Quaff;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I've been running a welded Diff "forever." No problems. But rece=
ntly had an opportunity to compare it with a Quaiffe.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Recently my son (Dave Gott) got a TR4 (Bill Throop's car) and installe=
d a Quaife in it. We were running nose to tail at Thompson and we obs=
erved that:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. the Quaffe did allow inside wheel spin and hence no power to =
the outside on VERY tight turns (turn 4 especially).</div>
<div>2. the Welded diff caused the rear to kick out upon application of pow=
er in the two right handers prior to the straight due to power induced incr=
eased slip angle. Therefore, I had to feather the throttle to keep th=
e car from oversteering and looping.</div>
<div>3. In those same two corners, the Quaiffe enabled early application of=
the throttle and gained on the TR with the welded diff in those corners <b=
>even though the TR with the welded diff had much more power.</b></div>
<div><b><br>
</b></div>
<div>So with respect to these two approaches it's not a case of one being o=
verall better than the other, but a case of the right diff for each tr=
ack.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Phil Gott</div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div style=3D"font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----=
Original Message-----<br>
From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot@autox.team.net><br>
To: kaskastner <kaskastner@gmail.com><br>
Cc: jaboruch <jaboruch@netzero.net>; fot <fot@autox.team.net><b=
r>
Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 4:40 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Broken Diffs<br>
<br>
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<div><font color=3D"black" size=3D"2" face=3D"arial">
</font>
<div>And they sure do work. </div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Every once in a while at GRATTAN, going through the off camber Turn 3,=
it would grab and CLUNK like the whole rear end fell out. I thought =
it might have broken, but turns out that was well within its character.</di=
v>
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</div>
<div>Bill Dentinger</div>
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--Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Kas Kastner <kaskastner@gmail.com><br clear=3D"none">
To: BillDentin@aol.com <billdentin@aol.com><br clear=3D"none">
Cc: Robert Deanes <rfdeanes@gmail.com>; Joe Boruch <jaboruch@netze=
ro.net>; FOT <fot@autox.team.net><br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 9:55 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Broken Diffs<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The Comp. Dept for Triumph paid for the tooling for that d=
iff "No Spin" which later was called the Detroit locker. I remember well ar=
guing with the people on how units would every be ordered and a guara=
ntee etc. I know one thing though, at the end of the conversation and after=
a few weeks we had made a limited slip available for the Triumph racers.<b=
r clear=3D"all">
<div>
<div class=3D"yiv6506733780aolmail_gmail_signature" dir=3D"ltr">
<div><strong><font color=3D"#000099">Never be beaten by equipment.</font></=
strong></div>
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</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 9:46 AM Bill Dentinger via Fot <=
;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.=
team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.te=
am.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font color=3D"black" =
face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">
</font>
<div>"Lincoln Locker" and "Detroit Locker" synonymous? I was to=
ld mine were "Detroit Lockers", but I had a owner's manual that was called =
"NO SPIN"</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Bill Dentinger</div>
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--Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: Robert Deanes via Fot <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rec=
t" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:f=
ot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">
To: Joe Boruch <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D=
"mailto:jaboruch@netzero.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jaboruch@net=
zero.net">jaboruch@netzero.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">
Cc: FoT Triumph <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.t=
eam.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 8:24 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Broken Diffs<br clear=3D"none">
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<div>have been racing a welded unit for years with no problems, would like =
to do one for each gear ratio</div>
<div>on the other hand I will have to look at a "Lincoln Locker" to s=
ee what the hype is, sure it is good !<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div class=3D"yiv6506733780aolmail_m_9215451577437479558aolmail_gmail_quote=
">
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 1:58 AM Joe Boruch via Fot <<a =
rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team=
.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.n=
et</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<blockquote class=3D"yiv6506733780aolmail_m_9215451577437479558aolmail_gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex;">
<div>Nick, I never got your email(s). One was forwarded to me. =
John Styduhar beat you to the parts, but is willing to work with you for wh=
at you may need. Joe(B)<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
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ail_sendername">vintagenick42 via Fot</strong> <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=
=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.ne=
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Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 10:03 PM<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Diffs<br clear=3D"none">
To: Joe Boruch <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D=
"mailto:jaboruch@netzero.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jaboruch@net=
zero.net">jaboruch@netzero.net</a>>, <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" =
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Cc: <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot=
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<div>
<div>Joe</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Check your spam folder....thats where i usually hang out amyway.</div>
<div>I sent a request re detroit locker parts. I need a side gear and sprin=
g for a "big" TR.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Lemme no</div>
<div>Nick in norcal</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
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<div>-------- Original message --------</div>
<div>From: Joe Boruch via Fot <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto=
:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>></div>
<div>Date: 11/23/18 8:29 AM (GMT-08:00)</div>
<div>To: <a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:bi=
lldentin@aol.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:billdentin@aol.com";>bill=
dentin@aol.com</a></div>
<div>Cc: <a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fo=
t@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@=
autox.team.net</a></div>
<div>Subject: Re: [Fot] Broken Diffs</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>I have a box of Detroit Locker parts sitting around that I should sell=
.=C3=82 I think it is parts from 2 diffs, both with cracked carriers.=
=C3=82 The internal gears are still usable, if someone is looking for=
parts.=C3=82 Joe(B)<br clear=3D"none">
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