Re: [Fot] Broken Diffs

[Robert Lang via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>]

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 Hi - Thanks for all the input. I have a few cores and I've been poking aro=
und my parts to see if I have other bits to put things back together. I thi=
nk I can save the TranX, I will get it checked for cracks, just to be sure.

Regarding limited slip vs. locked - the TranX is by far the best one for MY=
 driving style that I've tried. FWIW, I have three Quaifes, I like them - t=
hey reward smooth - but I hate them coming out of tight stuff. Inside Wheel=
 Spin City

Regarding welded stock diffs, it turns out that stock center sections are g=
etting harder to find because folks wait 'till "too late" to send 'em for r=
ebuilds and a lot of them have one or both carrier bearings spun and the be=
arings are no longer "interference fit". A lot of these are getting junked =
according to my small circle of Triumph nuts.

My ultimate goal is to have 3.45, 3.70, 4.10 and 4.33 available with Salisb=
ury-type limited slips in them. That helps me gear for various tracks. Seem=
s like my pick for PittRace was more or less on target. ;-)
C ya,Bob Lang

    On Friday, November 23, 2018, 3:57:20 AM EST, Keith Files via Fot <fot@=
autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 Hi Brian,
The answer is approximately 20% in both cases.
Keith


On 22 Nov 2018, at 21:31, Brian Schirano <bschirano@yahoo.com> wrote:
Happy thanksgiving all. Curious what is the HP loss from the flywheel to th=
e wheels. IE what does 292 at the fly equivalent at the wheels?
Cheers=C2=A0Brian=C2=A0


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On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 12:07 PM, Mike Munson via Fot <fot@autox.te=
am.net> wrote:

I took it as Keith was throwing those numbers out there to give us an idea =
as to how much power the LSDs can handle. Thanks Keith, it was helpful info=
. FYI I use Lincoln Lockers in my TR6. I won=E2=80=99t post dyno sheets bec=
ause my HP/Talent ratio is too high!
Mike=C2=A0#28 TR6


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On Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 7:27 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot@autox.=
team.net> wrote:

Any of you blokes that claim HP numbers need to attach the dyno sheet.=C2=
=A0=20

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:11 PM Keith Files via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> w=
rote:

Hi Bob,
i am pretty sure that Tran X is the same as a Salisbury LSD and is still av=
ailable through TR Enterprises here in the UK.
I do not know what car you are using (TR4 i think) so a new Tran X is proba=
bly ok. I have 2 Salisbury LSD units in 2 axles for my TR4.
However, if you are running a TR6 then I would recommend a Gripper LSD as t=
hey can handle the extra power and need a lot less maintenance than the Sal=
isbury (I swapped out and sold both my Salisbury LSDs for 2 new Grippers fo=
r my TR6).
www.gripperlsd.com
Of interest my TR4 produces 194 bhp at the flywheel and my TR6 produces 252=
 bhp at the flywheel.
Hope that helps,
Keith
=C2=A0


On 21 Nov 2018, at 14:40, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
 Should be a lot of used carriers around?

    On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 11:34:42 PM EST, Robert Lang via Fot <fo=
t@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
 Hi,
I broke a diff at Thompson back in October and I finally did a post-mortem.=
 Looks like a couple of bolts backed out and when the shit hit the fan, the=
 4 or 5 that were still holding on sheared off. In any case, lots of metal =
bits in there. Some of the big pieces bounced around in the diff and there'=
s some gouges in the Tran-X center section. The question to the group is - =
assuming that I find no cracks in the center section, it it accepted practi=
ce to clean off the dings to prevent stress risers and re-use it or is this=
 a "tosser".
Speaking of Tran-X, does anyone sell those now or are we limited to Quaife =
and GKN? I see that Rimmer lists both of those units. To be honest, I'm not=
 a fan of Quaife because I have to run the rear a lot softer to prevent whe=
el spin in the tight stuff - that kills my times at places like Thompson an=
d Palmer (like 1.5 to 2 seconds a lap.) Speaking of GKN, I know nothing abo=
ut them other than "clutch type differential". Feel free to chime in if you=
 have experience with those units.

Also, I am nearly 100% certain that I was using new lock washers and Red Lo=
ctite high strength thread compound, so the bolts backing out was a total s=
urprise when I cracked the case open. I was assuming that the pinion head h=
ad sheared off based on how the car felt when the diff broke. It was BANG a=
nd done - box full of neutrals.
Off topic - looks like I'm not driving at ButtonWillow, I got a reply from =
Joe Siam that he has nothing available for that date. Oh well. Look like my=
 budget is going to gears and stuff anyway... ;-)
c ya,Bob Lang
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<html><head></head><body><div class=3D"ydp5bf5231ayahoo-style-wrap" style=
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        <div>Hi - Thanks for all the input. I have a few cores and I've bee=
n poking around my parts to see if I have other bits to put things back tog=
ether. I think I can save the TranX, I will get it checked for cracks, just=
 to be sure.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regarding limited slip vs. locked=
 - the TranX is by far the best one for MY driving style that I've tried. F=
WIW, I have three Quaifes, I like them - they reward smooth - but I hate th=
em coming out of tight stuff. Inside Wheel Spin City<br></div><div><br></di=
v><div>Regarding welded stock diffs, it turns out that stock center section=
s are getting harder to find because folks wait 'till "too late" to send 'e=
m for rebuilds and a lot of them have one or both carrier bearings spun and=
 the bearings are no longer "interference fit". A lot of these are getting =
junked according to my small circle of Triumph nuts.<br></div><div><br></di=
v><div>My ultimate goal is to have 3.45, 3.70, 4.10 and 4.33 available with=
 Salisbury-type limited slips in them. That helps me gear for various track=
s. Seems like my pick for PittRace was more or less on target. ;-)</div><di=
v><br></div><div>C ya,</div><div>Bob Lang<br></div><div><br></div>
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                    On Friday, November 23, 2018, 3:57:20 AM EST, Keith Fil=
es via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"yiv8686630107"><div>Hi Brian,<div class=3D"=
yiv8686630107"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=
=3D"yiv8686630107">The answer is approximately 20% in both cases.</div><div=
 class=3D"yiv8686630107"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><=
div class=3D"yiv8686630107">Keith<br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"=
><div class=3D"yiv8686630107yqt9125866439" id=3D"yiv8686630107yqt59930"><di=
v><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"><blockquote class=3D"yiv868663=
0107" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107">On 22 Nov 2018, at 21:31, =
Brian Schirano &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv868663010=
7" ymailto=3D"mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:=
bschirano@yahoo.com">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"y=
iv8686630107Apple-interchange-newline" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv8686=
630107"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107">
Happy thanksgiving all. Curious what is the HP loss from the flywheel to th=
e wheels. IE what does 292 at the fly equivalent at the wheels?<div class=
=3D"yiv8686630107"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv8686630107">Cheers&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107">Brian&=
nbsp;<br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107"=
 clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"><a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv8686630107" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https:=
//overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=3DiOS">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><=
br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=
=3D"none"><p class=3D"yiv8686630107yahoo-quoted-begin" style=3D"font-size:1=
5px;color:#715FFA;padding-top:15px;margin-top:0;">On Thursday, November 22,=
 2018, 12:07 PM, Mike Munson via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect"=
 class=3D"yiv8686630107" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_b=
lank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<=
/p><blockquote class=3D"yiv8686630107iosymail"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107"=
 id=3D"yiv8686630107"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107">
I took it as Keith was throwing those numbers out there to give us an idea =
as to how much power the LSDs can handle. Thanks Keith, it was helpful info=
. FYI I use Lincoln Lockers in my TR6. I won=E2=80=99t post dyno sheets bec=
ause my HP/Talent ratio is too high!<div class=3D"yiv8686630107"><br class=
=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107">Mike&n=
bsp;</div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107">#28 TR6<br class=3D"yiv8686630107" c=
lear=3D"none"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"><br class=3D"yiv86=
86630107" clear=3D"none"><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv868=
6630107" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=3D=
iOS">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=
=3D"none"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv86866=
30107yqt7036490903" id=3D"yiv8686630107yqt27022"><p class=3D"yiv8686630107y=
ahoo-quoted-begin" style=3D"font-size:15px;color:#715FFA;padding-top:15px;m=
argin-top:0;">On Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 7:27 PM, John Styduhar via F=
ot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv8686630107" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.t=
eam.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p><blockquote class=3D"yiv86866=
30107iosymail"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107" id=3D"yiv8686630107"><div class=
=3D"yiv8686630107"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107" dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"y=
iv8686630107gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;">Any of you blokes tha=
t claim HP numbers need to attach the dyno sheet.&nbsp; </div><div class=3D=
"yiv8686630107gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;"><br class=3D"yiv868=
6630107" clear=3D"none"></div></div><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"no=
ne"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107gmail_quote"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107yqt7=
615330447" id=3D"yiv8686630107yqt49905"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107" dir=3D=
"ltr">On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 12:11 PM Keith Files via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"no=
follow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv8686630107" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.=
team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.te=
am.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><bloc=
kquote class=3D"yiv8686630107gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107" style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">Hi Bob,<div class=3D"yiv8686630107"><br class=3D=
"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107">i am pret=
ty sure that Tran X is the same as a Salisbury LSD and is still available t=
hrough TR Enterprises here in the UK.</div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107"><br=
 class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107">=
I do not know what car you are using (TR4 i think) so a new Tran X is proba=
bly ok. I have 2 Salisbury LSD units in 2 axles for my TR4.</div><div class=
=3D"yiv8686630107"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv8686630107">However, if you are running a TR6 then I would recomm=
end a Gripper LSD as they can handle the extra power and need a lot less ma=
intenance than the Salisbury (I swapped out and sold both my Salisbury LSDs=
 for 2 new Grippers for my TR6).</div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107"><br clas=
s=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107"><a re=
l=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv8686630107" target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"http://www.gripperlsd.com/";>www.gripperlsd.com</a></div><div class=3D"=
yiv8686630107"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=
=3D"yiv8686630107">Of interest my TR4 produces 194 bhp at the flywheel and =
my TR6 produces 252 bhp at the flywheel.</div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107">=
<br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv868663010=
7">Hope that helps,</div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107"><br class=3D"yiv86866=
30107" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107">Keith</div><div cl=
ass=3D"yiv8686630107"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div=
 class=3D"yiv8686630107">&nbsp;<br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"><=
div class=3D"yiv8686630107"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"><blo=
ckquote class=3D"yiv8686630107" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107">=
On 21 Nov 2018, at 14:40, Jack Wheeler via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv8686630107" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&g=
t; wrote:</div><br class=3D"yiv8686630107m_-2675567912368232671Apple-interc=
hange-newline" clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107"><div class=3D"yi=
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-serif;font-size:13px;"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107"></div>
        <div class=3D"yiv8686630107">Should be a lot of used carriers aroun=
d?<br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv8686630=
107"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div>
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                    On Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 11:34:42 PM EST, Robert =
Lang via Fot &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv8686630107"=
 ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot=
@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
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                <div class=3D"yiv8686630107"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" cl=
ear=3D"none"></div>
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ear=3D"none"></div>
                <div class=3D"yiv8686630107"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107" i=
d=3D"yiv8686630107m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560"><div clas=
s=3D"yiv8686630107"><div class=3D"yiv8686630107m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94=
af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helveti=
ca Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Hi,</div><div class=
=3D"yiv8686630107m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563y=
ahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, san=
s-serif;font-size:13px;"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><=
div class=3D"yiv8686630107m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp=
243c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, A=
rial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">I broke a diff at Thompson back in Octobe=
r and I finally did a post-mortem. Looks like a couple of bolts backed out =
and when the shit hit the fan, the 4 or 5 that were still holding on sheare=
d off. In any case, lots of metal bits in there. Some of the big pieces bou=
nced around in the diff and there's some gouges in the Tran-X center sectio=
n. The question to the group is - assuming that I find no cracks in the cen=
ter section, it it accepted practice to clean off the dings to prevent stre=
ss risers and re-use it or is this a "tosser".</div><div class=3D"yiv868663=
0107m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo-style-wr=
ap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-=
size:13px;"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"=
yiv8686630107m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo=
-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-se=
rif;font-size:13px;">Speaking of Tran-X, does anyone sell those now or are =
we limited to Quaife and GKN? I see that Rimmer lists both of those units. =
To be honest, I'm not a fan of Quaife because I have to run the rear a lot =
softer to prevent wheel spin in the tight stuff - that kills my times at pl=
aces like Thompson and Palmer (like 1.5 to 2 seconds a lap.) Speaking of GK=
N, I know nothing about them other than "clutch type differential". Feel fr=
ee to chime in if you have experience with those units.<br class=3D"yiv8686=
630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107m_-2675567912368232=
671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-famil=
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=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107m_-26755=
67912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D=
"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">=
Also, I am nearly 100% certain that I was using new lock washers and Red Lo=
ctite high strength thread compound, so the bolts backing out was a total s=
urprise when I cracked the case open. I was assuming that the pinion head h=
ad sheared off based on how the car felt when the diff broke. It was BANG a=
nd done - box full of neutrals.</div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107m_-26755679=
12368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br=
 class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107m_=
-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo-style-wrap" st=
yle=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px;">Off topic - looks like I'm not driving at ButtonWillow, I got a reply=
 from Joe Siam that he has nothing available for that date. Oh well. Look l=
ike my budget is going to gears and stuff anyway... ;-)</div><div class=3D"=
yiv8686630107m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo=
-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-se=
rif;font-size:13px;"><br class=3D"yiv8686630107" clear=3D"none"></div><div =
class=3D"yiv8686630107m_-2675567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c=
3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial=
, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">c ya,</div><div class=3D"yiv8686630107m_-2675=
567912368232671ydpb94af08dyiv8313936560ydp243c3563yahoo-style-wrap" style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px=
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