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Speaking of holes in float bowls, the exit hole at the bottom that feeds the=
jet can also vary in size. Be sure it=E2=80=99s big enough and the hose to t=
he jet is not crimped or restricted in any way. Mike did say he got a decent=
A/F ratio, so. It likely his issue, but it was with my TR.
Phil
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:21 PM, Mike Harmuth via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:
>=20
> Thanks for all the great input. I think I'll stay with the SU's for now an=
d spend the money on Dyno time to see where the issue may be.
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> mike h
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>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:13 PM fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
>> These are some words of wisdom...
>> Glen
>> ps- I've found different size holes in the float valves, also grose jets a=
re particularly restrictive.
>> The SU's are so simple minded and easy to work with I'd want to very cert=
ain that the was a BIG benifit before changing to jetted carbs that need a t=
on of parts of you are going to make use of the capacity of the units.
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kas Kastner <kaskastner@gmail.com>
>> To: fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>
>> Cc: Van Mulders Marcel <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>; FOT <fot@autox.te=
am.net>
>> Sent: Fri, Oct 19, 2018 12:32 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber vs Mikuni
>>=20
>> Lots of times at the higher revs the float bowls of the S.U.'s just run o=
ut of gas and they need an enlargment of the needle and seat.Many times the s=
tock needle and seat j ust does not have enough capacity to flow the fuel ne=
eded for the much richer needles used and the revvs. The SU's are so simple m=
inded and easy to work with I'd want to very certain that the was a BIG beni=
fit before changing to jetted carbs that need a ton of parts of you are goin=
g to make use of the capacity of the units.
>>=20
>> If you do not tune for the day and the weather at that time what is the p=
oint in having all that adustment. With the SU a couple flats adjustment up o=
r down and you are done the hour. Bigger machinery does not mean bigger powe=
r or even more useful power.
>>=20
>> BUT, if you are going for the expensive route, get the msot you can get. =
DCOE 45's are the ticket. Start with a small venturi and work up from there=
. Yes, you neeed to buy alterate venturies otherwise you have just wasted y=
our money.These same carbs were used on the Sebring and Le Mans Spitfire cou=
pes 1147 cc engines and proved 3% more power by tuning. To get the benifit y=
ou need to work at it.
>> Never be beaten by equipment.
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:01 AM fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
>> Yes HS4 carbs.
>> Glen
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: van.mulders.marcel <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>
>> To: fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>
>> Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2018 5:48 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber vs Mikuni
>>=20
>> Glen,
>> With 1 1/2s carburettors, I suppose you mean HS4? The SU logic is a littl=
e weird. 1" + 1/2" =3D 6/8" so you would think it are HS6s, but when talking=
about HS carburettors, 1 + 1/2 =3D 1 + 4/8 and they took the 4 to name thes=
e carbs HS4...
>> Marcel
>>=20
>> Van: "fubog1" <fubog1@aol.com>
>> Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>, "Mike Harmuth"=
<ofracer@gmail.com>
>> Cc: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
>> Verzonden: Donderdag 18 oktober 2018 22:39:39
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Weber vs Mikuni
>>=20
>> Well I won't speculate on the cause, but I doubt that it's the SUs.
>> My small crank 1300 w/1 1/2s on a eurospec manifold w/Stahls header, "big=
" valve head, would buzz easily to 9k, still making power, if I let it.
>> Normal shift point 7800-8000.
>> FWIW...
>> Glen
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> To: Mike Harmuth <ofracer@gmail.com>
>> Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2018 2:12 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber vs Mikuni
>>=20
>> -"...hitting a wall at that point..." : is it possible this is rather poi=
nting to the camshaft than to the SU's? If it are the carburettors, maybe th=
e power would decrease more gradually above 6500 rpm.
>> -In general one choke per cylinder is better, and 2 Webers 40 DCOE isn't o=
verkill I think
>> - what about trying HS6 SU's on your actual manifold?
>> At what maximum rpm is your engine still reliable?
>> Marcel
>>=20
>> Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
>> Aan: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
>> Verzonden: Woensdag 17 oktober 2018 15:49:45
>> Onderwerp: [Fot] Weber vs Mikuni
>>=20
>> I'm looking into switching out my twin HS4s on the 1296 race engine to ei=
ther Weber or Mukinis. I know this has been done for years and I'd like to g=
et close the best set up out of the gate.=20
>>=20
>> I don't think the SUs are up to the task of moving enough air with the ne=
w ported head and Stahl header. I've worked on the SUs and gotten them to fi=
nally deliver a good AFR , 12.6, at 6500 RPM under load but I seem to hit a w=
all (figuratively) at that point. I suspect that the openings just aren't bi=
g enough to deliver the mass of air required. (spreadsheet or other flow cal=
culator link appreciated)
>> Biggest gate I suspect is the intake valve, 1 3/8" head (~35mm) HS4 is ~3=
8mm at best.
>>=20
>> Recommendations? I've seen all these setups at the track, each with pluse=
s, minuses and overkill cause it looks cool.=20
>>=20
>> One weber DCOE 40 or 2? what jets, tubes etc for a starting point? Best m=
anifold?=20
>>=20
>> 2 or 4 Mikuni 40? jet size?
>>=20
>> thanks
>> mike
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Speaking of holes in float bowls, the exit h=
ole at the bottom that feeds the jet can also vary in size. Be sure it=E2=80=
=99s big enough and the hose to the jet is not crimped or restricted in any w=
ay. Mike did say he got a decent A/F ratio, so. It likely his issue, but it w=
as with my TR.<div>Phil<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"ltr">Se=
nt from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:21 PM, Mik=
e Harmuth via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.n=
et</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><div>Thanks for all the great input. I think I'll stay with t=
he SU's for now and spend the money on Dyno time to see where the issue may b=
e.</div><div><br></div><div>mike h<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 7:13 PM fubog1 via Fot <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font color=3D"black" size=3D"2" face=3D"Aria=
l, Helvetica, sans-serif">
<div> <font size=3D"2">These are some words of wisdom...</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Glen</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">ps- I've found different size holes in the float valve=
s, also grose jets are particularly restrictive.</font><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><block=
quote style=3D"border-left:2px solid blue;padding-left:3px">The SU's are so s=
imple minded and easy to work with I'd want to very certain that the was a B=
IG benifit before changing to jetted carbs that need a ton of parts of you a=
re going to make use of the capacity of the units.
<div></div>
</blockquote></div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----O=
riginal Message-----<br>
From: Kas Kastner <<a href=3D"mailto:kaskastner@gmail.com"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">kaskastner@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: fubog1 <<a href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">fubog1@ao=
l.com</a>><br>
Cc: Van Mulders Marcel <<a href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a>>; FOT <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br>
Sent: Fri, Oct 19, 2018 12:32 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber vs Mikuni<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"m_-245757380513494367yiv6253483699">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Lots of times at the higher revs the float bowls of the S.U=
.'s just run out of gas and they need an enlargment of the needle and seat.M=
any times the stock needle and seat j ust does not have enough capacity to f=
low the fuel needed for the much richer needles used and the revvs. The SU's=
are so simple minded and easy to work with I'd want to very certain that th=
e was a BIG benifit before changing to jetted carbs that need a ton of parts=
of you are going to make use of the capacity of the units.
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div> If you do not tune for the day and the weather at that time what i=
s the point in having all that adustment. With the SU a couple flats adjustm=
ent up or down and you are done the hour. Bigger machinery does not mean big=
ger power or even more useful power.
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>BUT, if you are going for the expensive route, get the msot you can get=
. DCOE 45's are the ticket. Start with a small venturi and work up fro=
m there. Yes, you neeed to buy alterate venturies otherwise you have j=
ust wasted your money.These same carbs were used on the Sebring and Le Mans S=
pitfire coupes 1147 cc engines and proved 3% more power by tuning. To g=
et the benifit you need to work at it.<br clear=3D"all">
<div>
<div class=3D"m_-245757380513494367yiv6253483699gmail_signature" dir=3D"ltr"=
>
<div><strong><font color=3D"#000099">Never be beaten by equipment.</font></s=
trong></div>
</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none"></div>
</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
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<div class=3D"m_-245757380513494367yiv6253483699yqt4822778474" id=3D"m_-2457=
57380513494367yiv6253483699yqtfd10159">
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:01 AM fubog1 via Fot <<a rel=3D=
"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"m_-245757380513494367yiv6253483699gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"m_-245757380513494367yiv6253483699yqt4822778474" id=3D"m_-2457=
57380513494367yiv6253483699yqtfd33561"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial, Helve=
tica, sans-serif" color=3D"black">
</font>
<div> <font size=3D"2">Yes HS4 carbs.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">Glen</font><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div> <br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div> <br clear=3D"none">
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<div style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----O=
riginal Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: van.mulders.marcel <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">v=
an.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a>><br clear=3D"none">
To: fubog1 <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">fubog1@aol.com<=
/a>><br clear=3D"none">
Cc: fot <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net=
</a>><br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2018 5:48 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber vs Mikuni<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div id=3D"m_-245757380513494367yiv6253483699m_-3204379643218842764yiv755717=
9423">
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:#000000">
<div>Glen,</div>
<div>With 1 1/2s carburettors, I suppose you mean HS4? The SU logic is a lit=
tle weird. 1" + 1/2" =3D 6/8" so you would think it are HS6s, but when talki=
ng about HS carburettors, 1 + 1/2 =3D 1 + 4/8 and they took the 4 to name th=
ese carbs HS4...</div>
<div>Marcel</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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423zwchr">
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7179423yqt0596148954" id=3D"m_-245757380513494367yiv6253483699m_-32043796432=
18842764yiv7557179423yqt61649">
<div><b>Van: </b>"fubog1" <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">=
fubog1@aol.com</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b>Aan: </b>"van mulders marcel" &l=
t;<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.b=
e</a>>, "Mike Harmuth" <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">=
ofracer@gmail.com</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc: </b>"fot" <<a rel=3D"n=
oopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"no=
ne"><b>Verzonden: </b>Donderdag 18 oktober 2018 22:39:39<br clear=3D"none"><=
b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Weber vs Mikuni<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div><span style=3D"color:black;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-=
size:small">
</span>
<div> <span style=3D"font-size:small">Well I won't speculate on the cause, b=
ut I doubt that it's the SUs.<br clear=3D"none">
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:small">My small crank 1300 w/1 1/2s on a euros=
pec manifold w/Stahls header, "big" valve head, would buzz easily to 9k, sti=
ll making power, if I let it.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:small">Normal shift point 7800-8000.</span></d=
iv>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:small">FWIW...<br clear=3D"none">
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:small">Glen</span><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div> <br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div> <br clear=3D"none">
</div>
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riginal Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
From: van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=
=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">
To: Mike Harmuth <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">ofracer@g=
mail.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
Cc: fot <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net=
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Sent: Thu, Oct 18, 2018 2:12 pm<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber vs Mikuni<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
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9423">
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;=
color:#000000">
<div>-"...hitting a wall at that point..." : is it possible this is rather p=
ointing to the camshaft than to the SU's? If it are the carburettors, maybe t=
he power would decrease more gradually above 6500 rpm.</div>
<div>-In general one choke per cylinder is better, and 2 Webers 40 DCOE isn'=
t overkill I think</div>
<div>- what about trying HS6 SU's on your actual manifold?</div>
<div>At what maximum rpm is your engine still reliable?</div>
<div>Marcel</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
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<div><b>Van: </b>"fot" <<a rel=3D"noopener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">fot=
@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b>Aan: </b>"fot" <<a rel=3D"no=
opener noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"non=
e"><b>Verzonden: </b>Woensdag 17 oktober 2018 15:49:45<br clear=3D"none"><b>=
Onderwerp: </b>[Fot] Weber vs Mikuni<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div>I'm looking into switching out my twin HS4s on the 1296 race engine to e=
ither Weber or Mukinis. I know this has been done for years and I'd like to g=
et close the best set up out of the gate. <br clear=3D"none"></div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>I don't think the SUs are up to the task of moving enough air with the n=
ew ported head and Stahl header. I've worked on the SUs and gotten them to f=
inally deliver a good AFR , 12.6, at 6500 RPM under load but I seem to hit a=
wall (figuratively) at that point. I suspect that the openings just aren't b=
ig enough to deliver the mass of air required. (spreadsheet or other flow ca=
lculator link appreciated)<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Biggest gate I suspect is the intake valve, 1 3/8" head (~35mm) HS4 is ~=
38mm at best.<br clear=3D"none"></div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>Recommendations? I've seen all these setups at the track, each with plu=
ses, minuses and overkill cause it looks cool. <br clear=3D"none"></div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>One weber DCOE 40 or 2? what jets, tubes etc for a starting point? Best=
manifold? <br clear=3D"none"></div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>2 or 4 Mikuni 40? jet size?</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>thanks</div>
<div>mike<br clear=3D"none"></div>
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