Yeah! It sounds completely different in Classical Latin.
Bill Dentinger
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> On Sep 4, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Bill via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I?m being a bit facetious, I understand what people mean (sort of) but I?ve
> heard ?Horsepower wins sales, torque wins races.? and the equivalent spoken
> or written sagely, with solemn nods all around, too many times not to
> comment. One is a functional equivalent of the other, both in a mathematical
> and practical sense. The relationship is linear. Torque is force. Horsepower
> includes a circular distance component to express work.
>
> As you say, the numbers for the power and torque curves should equate at
> every point (adjusted by the function). The fact that they often don?t is
> ridiculous?horsepower measured by a dyno is calculated from torque and RPM,
> not directly measured. The shorthand bullshit detector for dyno curves
> expressed in Imperial units of ft-lbs and horsepower is to see if the curves
> cross at 5252 RPM. Many don?t, including those published in car magazines.
>
> Sheesh.
>
>
>> On Sep 4, 2018, at 9:21 AM, Larry Young via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> P = T*R/5252
>> When people talk about a torquey engine, they usually mean it makes its
>> power a low revs.
>>
>> I once ran an engine on two different rolling road dynos (a Dynojet and a
>> Mustang Dyno. The guys at the dyno shop said the second one would give less
>> hp because they used a brake in their setup. I said, "you didn't calibrate
>> for that"? They backpedaled and gave me a line of BS. Then the power and
>> torque curves they produced did not agree with the equation. To get an
>> explanation, I worked my way up the chain and eventually talked to the dyno
>> companies head "technical" guy. He said he thought it must be the
>> calibration! I said, "it is basic physics, like saying F = ma". Since then,
>> I have never trusted dyno numbers. Good for comparative tuning runs only and
>> of course, bench racing.
>> - Larry
>>
>>> On 9/2/2018 10:46 PM, Bill via Fot wrote:
>>> It always puzzles me when people say that. Horsepower is torque times RPM
>>> (and a conversion factor). Torque is horsepower/RPM. So how can one count
>>> more than the other?
>>>
>>>> On Sep 2, 2018, at 4:13 PM, Mordy Dunst via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Its the torque that counts. So, I suspect the motor enhancements took the
>>>> benefit of the tractor stroke. If the motor is able to produce that
>>>> power at 6k rpm with shift at 6500.
>>>> I shift at @ 6200 - my motor produces max power @5800 on the dyno. I use
>>>> a kastner designed cam for which I have the masters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On Sunday, September 2, 2018, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at
>>>> autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What kind of modifications were done to the engine to extract over 200 HP
>>>> from a tractor engine? Nitrous shot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 3:05 PM Thomas Boyd <tom at trenterprises.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> All of our FIA race cars are running legal 87mm engines.
>>>>> Just rolling roaded the latest SLR build at well north of 200bhp
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas Boyd
>>>>> Director
>>>>> TR Enterprises
>>>>> 01623 793807 (ext 302)
>>>>> www.trenterprises.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Sep 2018, at 17:02, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you really had serious compliance with most group's rules, I would
>>>>> guess half the TR cars would not pass muster. Let's have fun together.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 9:40 AM Terry Stetler via Fot <fot at
>>>>>> autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Indeed there are Glen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of fubog1 via Fot
>>>>>> <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 7:34:26 AM
>>>>>> To: rkramer56 at gmail.com
>>>>>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> everybody else seems to be using 89.
>>>>>> HaHa not everybody, rules say 87mm, there are still a few guys running
>>>>>> them (and winning)...
>>>>>> Glen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Bob Kramer via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> To: van.mulders.marcel <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
>>>>>> Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Fri, Aug 31, 2018 11:26 pm
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] 89MM piston question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've always used 87 MM due to the rules but everybody else seems to be
>>>>>> using 89. The procedures are the same so It'll be the same. I blew a
>>>>>> head gasket last time out, compression into the cooling system and blew
>>>>>> off the bottom hose. I guess it wasn't tight enough, and scuffed two
>>>>>> pistons before I could shut it down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Kramer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 12:43 PM, <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>> It is definitely necessary to make that modification to the liners. The
>>>>>> relieve should correspond to the shape of the combustion chambers :
>>>>>> about 4 mm wide on a 89mm engine.
>>>>>> Marcel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> Cc: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> Verzonden: Donderdag 30 augustus 2018 00:05:43
>>>>>> Onderwerp: [Fot] 89MM piston question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do the guys running the 89MM pistons and liners need to relieve the
>>>>>> liners to clear the intake valve, or does the extra MM make the
>>>>>> difference?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Kramer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue,
>>>>>>
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