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Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 15:20:47 -0500
References: <6DBC7806-A52C-408A-B1FA-BCBB8282C786@grassrootsmotorsports.com> <16397551abc-c91-7b87@webjas-vaa173.srv.aolmail.net> <89FD537D228D44B291513417053CAEF3@Charly>
The axe: No, nothing remains.

BUT, presuming the head is a sturdy piece of steel that lasts forever (with 
occasional sharpening) while the handle is an item expected to deteriorate over 
time and be replaced,  as long as you have the head it?s Washington?s axe. The 
head is what made it an axe, the handle is just a stick. (But the replacement 
handle also has to be a stick, not some modern carbon fiber piece).

Or (upon reading that link) what if G.Washington himself replaced that handle, 
then continued to use the axe. And later broke the head and attached a new one. 
And continued to use it. Yep, still Washington?s axe. Maybe not the one he 
chopped the cherry tree down with, but still his. Even if he replaced only one 
part of it, still his. 

Ditto the TR3 ? as long as you have the commission plate and the frame to which 
it was attached, anything else that was a replaceable item when Gp. 44 (or 
Mims) had it can be replaced. Fenders get crunched, replace it. Motors blow, 
replace it. Axles break, replace it. Tullius would have, Mims would have. What 
is not replaced in all that is the setup. If the suspension setup is what 
Tullius et al did originally, then that?s just repairs/restoration. If you just 
slap a stock suspension back on it, it?s no longer what Gp. 44 built. If it was 
a stock TR3 (or even someone else?s TR3 racer) that you set up identical to the 
Gp. 44 specs, that?s a replica. 

If I attach a piece that came from Gp. 44 on my car that doesn?t make mine a 
Gp. 44 car. But if I get what was once a Gp. 44 car and fix what needs fixing, 
still a Gp. 44 car (as long as I don?t change it away from what was originally 
the Gp. 44 car ... as long as I don?t attach that carbon fiber handle to GW?s 
original axe). 

When my Spitfire was turned into a race car I painted it in a couple of Ford 
colors I liked, but under the hood I kept a small strip of the original 
Wedgewood Blue to show what it was originally. If I had the Mims car and found 
a piece of the original pink, I think I?d preserve that under some clearcoat to 
illustrate what it was originally.

--Rocky Entriken
From: Charly Mitchel via Fot 
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 9:52 AM
To: fubog1 ; tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found

So if you have George Washington's axe and the head falls of and breaks and you 
replace it and a few years later the handle is rotten and it breaks and you 
replace it, is it still Washington's axe? 
http://thomas-galvin.com/blog/george-washingtons-axe/
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: fubog1 via Fot 
  To: tim at grassrootsmotorsports.com ; fot at autox.team.net 
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 5:45 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 car found


  "Can this car be saved? Should it be saved? If you re-body some, or all of 
it, have you really saved it?" 


  Answers-
  1- Anything can be saved
  2- YES!
  3- That's the tough one to answer, with no original parts remaining, it would 
pretty much be a "recreation".


  Glen



  -----Original Message-----
  From: Tim Suddard via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
  To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Fri, May 25, 2018 8:18 am
  Subject: [Fot] Group 44 car found


  And on another note, two more TR3s have just come into my life. Bill Emery 
has passed his late father?s two cars on to me, thinking I might be a good 
caretaker for them. 

  After talking to Bill and Bob Tullius, and reading through his dad?s 
correspondence I am convinced one of the cars, (the very rough yellow one) is 
the Group 44 car that Bob Tullius built for Donna Mae Mims to race in the 1965. 
I have also found the original red paint and pink paint on the car.

  So this brings up some interesting ethical and technical conversations? (also 
lots to write about in Classic Motorsports). Can this car be saved? Should it 
be saved? If you re-body some, or all of it, have you really saved it? While I 
know, from correspondence that some of the Group 44 parts are on the red car, 
much of the Group 44 stuff is long gone. 


  Tim Suddard
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