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Subject: [Fot] Rear Axle upgrade GT6
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 18:34:43 -0500
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FYI, Rimmer Bros will have six people at the VTR Convention including one
of the Rimmers. La Cosse, WI in July.



Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711

> On Mar 22, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Brian Dennis via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
> wrote:
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> Hi,
> I have a set of the Canely CVs in my hillclimb Spitsix since 2014. The roads 
> I race on are very rough and punishing on the equipment. I also run 9" wide 
> Avon A11 compound slicks. I have not had any issues with the setup. I have 
> purchased sub-pare items from Rimmer Bros. and well you get what you pay for 
> and in that instance I was cutting corners to help the racing budget 
> (although in the long run that cost me a bunch more money than what I saved). 
> So my suggestion is don't compare products from different companies just 
> because on the outside they look the same.
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> I do wonder if anyone has contacted Rimmer Bros. about this issue? In my 
> dealings with Canely (when you can reach them) they have always been 
> interested in seeing the broken part and under what circumstances the part 
> failed. The last time I corresponded with Canely they had not had a single CV 
> failure reported to them.
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> Just my 2 cents.
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> BTY Mark, that was quite the tumble. 
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> Good luck in finding a suitable replacement. What ever product it may be.
> 
> Brian
> Foster, RI
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> On Thursday, March 22, 2018, 2:30:45 PM EDT, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot <fot 
> at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Sure always need info on anything like that.
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> I sure wish you had some of yours around today!!!
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> I confirmed on that car as best as I could after the wreck that the axle 
> isn?t hitting the frame as it passes over it between the diff and the wheel 
> end. Checked the other cars I got too so far none of them do. I did notice 
> all the frames are crushed in that area and it seems like it was done at the 
> factory too??
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> MARK CRAIG
> Diesel Performance Parts, Inc.
> 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211
> www.dieselperformanceparts.com
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> From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 11:59 AM
> To: DPPI - Mark Craig <info at dieselperformanceparts.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear Axle upgrade GT6
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> Really sorry to hear of this.  My axles were made of material which was so 
> costly and hard to find I had to by 500 pounds of it.  Then I had the axles 
> forged instead of billet machined. All this  does not help you a bit but I 
> can give you a part number a much better and bigger U-joint which we also 
> included with my axles if that will be a help. My research years ago on this 
> was the rear end of the car was bottoming out and putting all the weight on 
> the axle and it just could not hold it.
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> Never be beaten by equipment.
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> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 9:47 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig <info at 
> dieselperformanceparts.com> wrote:
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> Yes they were Sommers Bros out of CA.  The U Joint failed.
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> I hear the Joe Siam ones are breaking too. A friend in FL has had two sets of 
> them break.
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> That?s why when I started to rebuild the wreck I thought I would go with the 
> Canley CV axles and the GT6 lower arms. At least if the axle breaks the wheel 
> stays upright.  But now I hear the Canley CV axle isn?t strong enough for a 
> GT6 and I am nervous.  I really didn?t want to do that as it changes the 
> ?Attitude? of the Spit and how it feels, but I don?t want to end up on me 
> head again either.
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> Here?s a U tube link to the accident:
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> MARK CRAIG
> Diesel Performance Parts, Inc.
> 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211
> www.dieselperformanceparts.com
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> From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskastner at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 11:29 AM
> To: DPPI - Mark Craig <info at dieselperformanceparts.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear Axle upgrade GT6
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> Are you using or rather were you using one piece axles where the hub and the 
> axle are one piece?
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> Never be beaten by equipment.
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> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 8:12 AM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot <fot at 
> autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Hum, I got a set of the Canley CVs for the Spit that broke an axle and then 
> rolled 4 times.  
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> I have that car almost in one piece again and now you got me cautious?? A 
> Spit vs GT6 is a lot of difference in weight and engine load though. Anyone 
> got any thoughts?? I don?t want to go for that ride again. I am adding GT6 
> lower arms to keep the wheel form getting under the car, but still don?t want 
> failure.
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> MARK CRAIG
> Diesel Performance Parts, Inc.
> 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211
> www.dieselperformanceparts.com
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> From: James J Dolan [mailto:jdolan at voyagerhldgs.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 9:38 AM
> To: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>; DPPI - Mark Craig <info at 
> dieselperformanceparts.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear Axle upgrade GT6
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> Scott & Mark.
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> I looked at my records and we show the CV joints that failed (yes it was me 
> in the 5 laps) we purchased were from Rimmer Brothers (sp?) in England in the 
> spring of 2016.
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> I can?t tell if they are the same guys or were resellers of the same product, 
> but they looked identical to these units and I doubt there were more than one 
> manufacturer of these in 2016.
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> And yes they failed, so I would NOT recommend for racing.
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> We compared the rear end system on our Kastner 1972 GT6 #6 and the Group 44 
> 1972 GT6 and reviewed the whole history with Kas, Scott, Craig Miller, Andy 
> MacLaurin.
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> In the end we converted the Group 44 car to the Corvair Datsun solution as 
> engineered in 1971 based on a set of engineering drawings Craig Miller had 
> that had all the machining details.
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> Since that installation in Sept 2016 we have had no problems.  The Group 44 
> car runs a Quaife diff with Redline Shockproof 75W90 gear oil with this 
> configuration.
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> Kas? 1972 GT6 runs a different outer hub configuration he constructed using 
> Vascojet steel. Here is Kas?s note from 2016 ?We broke axle shafts and hubs a 
> lot in the beginning and gave up on the normal steels available.  In the end 
> I purchased a load of Vascojet steel that was prescribed by steel engineers 
> to me, this is what is used in the outer axles of my GT-6. It was  expensive 
> and hard to find and I bought all in the USA at the time about 200 pounds. I 
> paid for forging dies and had the axles forged from this material. Now this 
> was almost 50 years ago so inquiry of steels might be a hot tip.? Kas? 
> solution provides an inner bearing retainer flange and nut at the hub carrier 
> side of the axle, thereby preventing wheel loss in a failure. That car runs 
> his original parts from 1972 and our last magnaflux shows no signs of failure 
> or cracking.  As he says, Never Beaten by Equipment, even after all these 
> years.
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> We had no trouble sourcing Corvair parts and GM bearings.
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> From: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Scott Janzen via Fot 
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Reply-To: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
> Date: Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 2:10 AM
> To: DPPI - Mark Craig <info at dieselperformanceparts.com>
> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear Axle upgrade GT6
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> I?ve seen one of those break after five laps in a GT6.
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> On Mar 21, 2018, at 3:19 PM, DPPI - Mark Craig via Fot <fot at 
> autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Canley in England has a CV axle set up for the Spits and GT6.
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> MARK CRAIG
> Diesel Performance Parts, Inc.
> 411 Allied Drive, Nashville, TN 37211
> www.dieselperformanceparts.com
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> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang via 
> Fot
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:07 AM
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Rear Axle upgrade GT6
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> Vince - I'm not sure that the TR6 axles would fit your GT6 because the 
> bearing carrier for the Herald-based cars is a lot smaller than the TR6 is. I 
> suppose you could make it fit, but you'd have to make a custom hub carrier. 
> That said, I know that folks have done various solutions using stub axles 
> from cars like the 240Z. The "trick" would be to find a hub flange that can 
> be drilled for the Spitfire / GT6 bolt pattern and then work from there. And 
> you can get brand-new stub axles for the 240/260/280Z.
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> Else, source something from the UK.
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> Also - do you have a GT6 Mk 2 or the early or late-late setup? That also 
> makes a difference in the solution.
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> For my TR6, I run Corvair hubs like Group 44 did. But I had those hubs built 
> up about 20 years ago - the Corvair parts are pretty scarce now. If I were to 
> build a new car, I'd def. buy the Goodparts setup - he makes really excellent 
> parts!
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> Regards,
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> Bob Lang
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> On Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 8:44:11 AM EDT, Vince G via Fot <fot at 
> autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Good day all,
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> I am wondering if anyone has tried John Goods Axle conversion kit on their 
> racing GT6?  It is a CV conversion but doesn?t replace the Hub which worries 
> me. 
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> http://www.goodparts.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=20
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> There are sturdier more complete TR6 kits but I?m not sure I could retrofit 
> one of those. 
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> Thanks for any feedback. 
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> Vince
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