If you ever come across TS 58155E, let me know?
Terry Stetler
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I realize these old TR2-3 gear boxes are pretty much worthless and I have no
use for them. I imagine that they came out of cars at some point for a good
reason.
I'm not sure if the internal components, gears or shafts have any value anyone
either. They may be best for scrap.
A few years ago, I rescued a vast collection of TR parts and spares from being
scrapped. There were also a dozen engines, that I tore down for component
evaluation. In that mix, I found the original engine to my TR3. That alone
was worth my efforts. Old TS46871E will live again. It was an interesting
mechanical forensic project, determining reasons of failure.
So, I have good blocks and a number of standard cranks standing by.
DH
On March 18, 2018 at 8:36 AM Bill <Bill at ponostyle.com> wrote:
They pretty much belong in a barn. There isn?t any way I know of to make then
handle even the horsepower they are rated if you drive in a spirited fashion.
With a later TR4 or TR6 case and some work or a quaife dog box set you have a
prayer, but TR3 not so much. I have three or four I?d be happy to give you.
I have at least 10 TR3, no syncro first gear transmissions sitting on a palette
in an old barn, if anyone might need one, let me know.
No overdrives.
The few TR4A-TR6 boxes that I have are keepers with the one overdrive on a TR3
box that was in my TR2.
Dave H.
The early boxes aren't worth much, they have inherent weaknesses, but the later
6 box is much better, especially for a racecar.
Glen
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Subject: Re: [Fot] New Cars, New Parts
I wish, they're just old stock non OD units. from TR-3's and probably 6's. I
think I have about 5. don't "need" any of them.
Cheers, Henry
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To: Henry A. Morrison
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Subject: Re: [Fot] New Cars, New Parts
Henry... any of those gear sets you have happen to be the close ratio TR set?
I still use one with an A OD & could use a spare.....
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I just can't disagree with this statement more.
1. Vintage racing is dying. There are way fewer cars and races than there
were in 1986 when I started.
2. The newer cars and drivers scarcely know what a road course is. Car
culture was different after '72 and especially now, just look at the current
Fast and furious movies that sell the current car culture.
3. how many old TR gearboxes from my personal collection would you like
to have delivered to your place tomorrow? Or buy some of the ones on ebay for
$150, that seems to be the going rate.
4. Clubs that accept cars from the 80's are selling out for the entry fee,
and in doing so driving me away in the process.
Have a great racing season,
Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM
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It is good to see that other clubs are allowing newer cars into their races.
VARA has been doing this for several years so that we could survive, keep the
club solvent and the cost of racing reasonable. The future of vintage racing
is an expansion to cars from the 80?s and 90?s, they are long past their prime
in other venues, cheap and they bring in new drivers. They are in fact
?vintage?, like our cars were in the 80? and 90?s. More important, these are
the guys and gals that lusted for a certain hot car of the that era and now
have older kids and the bucks to go racing. Without these folks our sport will
pass along with us.
The same is true of parts. Much of our equipment is worn out and not
maintainable without great cost and effort any longer. Gear boxes are an
example. I am down to my last good transmission case for my dog box. When
that goes, or the gear set is toast, I am making the switch to a modern box
(same ratios) that I can maintain. Like many of us I have missed races because
of transmission failures. Tony runs a Ford 8? because he doesn?t want to get
hurt, and it is bullet proof for racing, even has a weight penalty. A gear
box switch is inevitable if we want to keep our cars on track at an expenditure
of time and money that makes sense.
There are tons of other parts that make engines last longer (and yes they make
more power). An old TR motor is nothing but half a Chevy Small Block; those
guys spent hundreds of millions developing motor parts that we can take
advantage of. Same is true of blueprinting techniques, there are much better
ways to build engines than ?back in the day? and if you read a book and learn
how to do it the bloody lump lasts twice as long. Last time I had my motor out
I could have put the coated bearings with 25 races on them back in. At 36
races I had <5% leak down on the rings and valves. Started out building the
old school way, with old school parts, those days are over as I don?t have the
time to spend five days in the shop for every day at the track.
Oil. There is no such thing as cheap racing oil. Modern oil is the best it
has ever been and makes the motor last. I had technical help from Lake Speed
who is the ?man? for Joe Gibbs Driven race oil. The stuff is $18 a quart but
will last 500+ miles in the car (4-6 race weekends). Just change the filter
after every race and add on quart, total cost $30.00. I can run all the way
down to 27 wt. (mixing) but just run the 30 wt. racing oil even at +100 degrees
in the desert and the oil pressure is always spot on. Tight clearances, light
oil and great bearing life, well worth the cost.
My point in all of this is that ?vintage? racing is changing, both the cars and
the people. We are going to have to accept and adapt or slowly see our sport
fade. They will always be a special place for those cars with a 50 year race
history, prepared exactly like it raced in 1965. For the rest of the grid,
and those of us that don?t have cars with history, there are going to be cars
with certain changes that get us to the track. Besides some of us are just
SoCal Hot Rodders at heart with a touch of ?good ole boy? NACAR ingenuity. Now
I need to get back to work on that 85% scale TR-4 body in aluminum, or possible
carbon fiber???..Everyone have a great 2018 season racing!
Ken
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