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From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:22:08 -0500
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My GT6 has a welded rear end.  I get virtually all my braking done in a 
straight line and then am easing on the gas almost immediately in most turns.  
That pushes the rear end out and steers the car.
So, definitely the tires slip, and you can see it from the gummy rubber on them 
after a run, front and rear.  However, on tighter turns, at a certain point if 
I push it too far, yep, the rear end just comes around. Usually you know when 
it is coming, but on certain turns or perhaps when this driver is not looking 
for the signs, it?s been known to happen.  Generally not once they are up to 
temp though.
I have heard the Hoosiers are grippier cold, and no question I need two laps at 
speed to get full grip.

On Nov 9, 2017, at 9:40 PM, Brian Schirano via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
wrote:

Thanks guys, all looks positive for the Toyos. What is this rumor I had heard a 
couple of times that they stick good, but when they let go you're gone. Is this 
what you are talking about Scott? I can get a little drift out of the TDs on my 
GT.

Thanks for the input.
Brian

26A GT6+, 28 TR6
Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell 
BSchirano at yahoo.com


On Thursday, November 9, 2017, 9:20:26 PM EST, Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> 
wrote:


I?ve run the R888s for years; this year am running the R888Rs, which seem 
slightly faster and more predictable. If you find R888s at this point they have 
probably been on the shelf since 2016.
The tires wear incredibly well and are consistent.
I?ve always been tempted to try the Hoosiers, just for comparison, but what has 
deterred me are camber settings.  The R888s on my GT6 like about 2.5 degrees of 
negative camber or more, and I?m told the bias plies only want 1 degree or 
less. 
Thus, comparative sessions are impractical, and switching is a real commitment.

I?ve watched similar cars running on the track with the two types of tires, and 
my impression of Spridgets, at least, is that on TDs there is a lot more drift 
in the turns than with the radials.  That said, and I am sure that there are 
differences between the cars and drivers, there are top three Spridgets in VRG 
on both types of tires.  Of course, they have a solid axle in the rear, so the 
Toyos may not be operating under ideal conditions on those cars.  When I talked 
to Toyo they recommended 2.5-3 degrees of negative camber (even though their 
website says 1-3).

I also hear the radials last longer, though my impression of the R888s is that 
after 15 heat cycles or so, they lose a little grip and lap times creep up 
slightly.  However, seat of the pants says that is less the case with the new 
R888Rs.

No question the toyos are cheaper - $144 at tire rack, versus $183 for the TDs 
at Woodman.

No recent experience with the RA1s.


Hey Guys (and any women out there?)

OK, thinking about Toyo Proxes for my GT6 next year. 205/60x13. I run Hoosier 
TD S's right now and have always. looking for opinions on these options, all 
three are VRG approved for my car. Also anything you can warn me about or 
advice  for switching from bias ply to radials?  Just trying to get educated at 
the moment, I see a lot of guys running these but have heard some bad 
experience stories about spins from the learning curve or handling differences

R888R
R888
RA1

Thanks
Brian

26A GT6+, 28 TR6
Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell 
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