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Re: [Fot] TR4 Block work suggestions

To: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Block work suggestions
From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 19:38:34 -0400
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I soaked about 26 inch long felt pieces in Indian Head and pounded those suc=
kers in with a special contoured drift I made. Both sides looked good to me b=
ut poured oil and Indian head when I fired the engine (back in the car at th=
at point :-(((( ). Some kind FoT suggested I soak the felt with high temp RT=
V. Messy as hell but is still holding.=20

jim

Fat-thumbed from my iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.com>=
 wrote:
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> I=E2=80=99ve heard people say not to use the felt (using strips of torn-up=
 T-shirt soaked in Indian Head shellac instead, packing it in with a punch) b=
ut never yet heard anyone say not to use Indian Head.  I=E2=80=99m curious t=
oo.
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> Duncan Charlton
> Elgin, Texas USA
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>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> OK, I=E2=80=99ll bite, what not use the Indian Head sealant? I=E2=80=99ve=
 had good luck with that, although I fill the very top (actually bottom) of t=
he cap recess with RTV.
>> =20
>> =20
>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Styduhar
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:37 AM
>> To: STEPHEN BOROWSKI
>> Cc: FOT List
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Block work suggestions
>> =20
>> I also have the center plug hole on the main oil galley tapped to install=
 an NPT adapter for the oil line from my accumulator.=20
>> Have the shop check the alignment of the mains and line hone if necessary=
.
>> Machine the center main cap to install a reinforcing strap.
>> Bottom tap all head stud holes.
>> Remove and tap the front and rear main oil galley plugs for flush-fit NPT=
 fittings. Have this done on the cylinder head cooling plug.
>> Remove the crank scroll and install a rear main seal conversion. Do not u=
se Indian Head Shellac on the felt seals.
>> Grind unnecessary casting material from the inside and outside of the blo=
ck, particularly in the cooling areas.=20
>> If needed, clean up the mating surfaces for the liner gaskets.=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 4:13 PM, STEPHEN BOROWSKI <biznzman@pacbell.net> w=
rote:
>> Hello All,
>> I disassembled my TR4 race car engine this past week. Last time I rebuilt=
 it was 1987. Last time I raced it was 1988. Probably had five or six race w=
eekends on the engine but its been sitting for almost twenty years! It is am=
azing everything looks very good. Rod and Main bearings show minimal ware an=
d the same with the pistons and liners. G3 cam and followers including head a=
nd valves all look good. Cam bearings look questionable...
>> =20
>> So I plan on installing new cam bearings, Rods & Mains. Any suggestions a=
s to what brand and where to buy them?
>> I will deck the block. Any suggestions as to other machining I should do t=
o the block?=20
>> =20
>> The crank looks fine but I haven't measured it yet. What clearances shoul=
d I run?
>> I do plan on balancing and polishing it.
>> =20
>> Thanks for any input.
>> =20
>> Steve and son Matthew
>> Florida TR4
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I soaked about 26 inch long felt piece=
s in Indian Head and pounded those suckers in with a special contoured drift=
 I made. Both sides looked good to me but poured oil and Indian head when I f=
ired the engine (back in the car at that point :-(((( ). Some kind FoT sugge=
sted I soak the felt with high temp RTV. Messy as hell but is still holding.=
&nbsp;</div><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id=3D"AppleMailSig=
nature">jim<br><br>Fat-thumbed from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jun 28, 2016,=
 at 2:38 PM, Duncan Charlton &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:duncan.charlton54@gmail.c=
om">duncan.charlton54@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charse=
t=3Dutf-8">I=E2=80=99ve heard people say not to use the felt (using strips o=
f torn-up T-shirt soaked in Indian Head shellac instead, packing it in with a=
 punch) but never yet heard anyone say not to use Indian Head. &nbsp;I=E2=80=
=99m curious too.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">Duncan Charlton</div><div class=3D"">Elgin, Texas USA</div><=
div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">=


</div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On J=
un 28, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Bob Kramer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rkramer3@austin.r=
r.com" class=3D"">rkramer3@austin.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Ap=
ple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D=
"page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: no=
rmal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal=
; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; w=
hite-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-wid=
th: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fami=
ly: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; fo=
nt-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">OK, I=E2=
=80=99ll bite, what not use the Indian Head sealant? I=E2=80=99ve had good l=
uck with that, although I fill the very top (actually bottom) of the cap rec=
ess with RTV.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0i=
n 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D=
""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: r=
gb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div s=
tyle=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New R=
oman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calib=
ri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></div><div style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-co=
lor: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=
=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: '=
Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:=
 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span st=
yle=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span c=
lass=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:fot-bounc=
es@autox.team.net" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" clas=
s=3D"">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span class=3D"Apple-converted-=
space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted=
-space">&nbsp;</span></b>John Styduhar<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b>=
<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:=
37 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-spac=
e">&nbsp;</span>STEPHEN BOROWSKI<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span cl=
ass=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>FOT List<br class=3D""><b class=3D=
"">Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Fot] T=
R4 Block work suggestions<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div style=
=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman=
', serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div=
 class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fa=
mily: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">I also have the center plug hole=
 on the main oil galley tapped to install an NPT adapter for the oil line fr=
om my accumulator.&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><d=
iv style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times N=
ew Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Have the shop check the alignment of the mains=
 and line hone if necessary.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D"=
"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Tim=
es New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Machine the center main cap to install a r=
einforcing strap.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div styl=
e=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roma=
n', serif;" class=3D"">Bottom tap all head stud holes.<o:p class=3D""></o:p>=
</div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-siz=
e: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Remove and tap t=
he front and rear main oil galley plugs for flush-fit NPT fittings. Have thi=
s done on the cylinder head cooling plug.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><=
div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font=
-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Remove the crank scroll and i=
nstall a rear main seal conversion. Do not use Indian Head Shellac on the fe=
lt seals.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"mar=
gin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', seri=
f;" class=3D"">Grind unnecessary casting material from the inside and outsid=
e of the block, particularly in the cooling areas.&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:=
p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-s=
ize: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">If needed, cle=
an up the mating surfaces for the liner gaskets.&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p>=
</div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-siz=
e: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">=
&nbsp;</o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0=
.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""=
><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in=
 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" clas=
s=3D"">On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 4:13 PM, STEPHEN BOROWSKI &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:biznzman@pacbell.net" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: purple; text-deco=
ration: underline;" class=3D"">biznzman@pacbell.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p class=
=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=
=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman=
', serif; background-color: white;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt=
; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Hello All,<o:p class=3D"">=
</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.000=
1pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-colo=
r: white;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica,=
 sans-serif;" class=3D"">I disassembled my TR4 race car engine this past wee=
k. Last time I rebuilt it was 1987. Last time I raced it was 1988. Probably h=
ad five or six race weekends&nbsp;on the engine but its been sitting for alm=
ost twenty years!&nbsp;It is amazing everything looks very good. Rod and Mai=
n bearings show minimal ware and the same with the pistons and liners. G3 ca=
m and followers including head and valves all look good. Cam bearings look q=
uestionable...<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div s=
tyle=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New R=
oman', serif; background-color: white;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:=
 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.000=
1pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-colo=
r: white;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica,=
 sans-serif;" class=3D"">So I plan on installing new cam bearings, Rods &amp=
; Mains. Any suggestions as to what brand and where to buy them?<o:p class=3D=
""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.=
0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-c=
olor: white;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helveti=
ca, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I will deck the block. Any suggestions as to oth=
er machining I should do to the block?<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=
&nbsp;</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div s=
tyle=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New R=
oman', serif; background-color: white;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size:=
 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.000=
1pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-colo=
r: white;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica,=
 sans-serif;" class=3D"">The crank looks fine but I haven't measured it yet.=
 What clearances should I run?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div c=
lass=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-fami=
ly: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=3D""><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I do p=
lan on balancing and polishing it.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><=
div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font=
-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=3D""><spa=
n style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><=
o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"=
margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', s=
erif; background-color: white;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; fo=
nt-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Thanks for any input.<o:p clas=
s=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0i=
n 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; backgrou=
nd-color: white;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Hel=
vetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></d=
iv><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; f=
ont-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=3D""><=
span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"=
">Steve and son Matthew<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D=
""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Ti=
mes New Roman', serif; background-color: white;" class=3D""><span style=3D"f=
ont-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Florida TR4<o=
:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin:=
 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; b=
ackground-color: white;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 9pt; font-fami=
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